Serious question for early adopters of Claws: what are you using them for? What things do you find them actually useful? Can you give examples of tasks where you actually save time and/or effort using them?
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Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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It was surprisingly difficult for me to understand the use case as well. Here is my best attempt at an elevator pitch: At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. ChatGPT keeps all your conversations and output and data forever. What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability. Your memories and…
> At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. I store my "memories" in markdown on disk, accessible with RAG independent of which model i use or where inference runs. This is pretty common I think? > What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability I use primarily local models so I don't have th…
If you stop trying to find something like truly ontologically novel about it, you might be able to understand what it actually is. Okay it's not impressive. It's not incredible. It's not groundbreaking new technology. It is what it is.
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Managers will be starting to ask for claws in the development flow, claws for automation, etc. Another flashy trend everyone will have to endure because an influencer is hyping the tech. It happened in 2024/2025. Every manager demanding use of "vibe coding", because they bought the lie that is what everyone is doing and is the best thing since sliced bread and whatnot. Karpathy comes up with a new shit to hype, and e…
Stop taking work so seriously. You're getting paid to deal with other people's nonsense, and if you're in tech you're getting paid better than most to deal with less than most. The next time you're about to have a cry session about your meanie boss asking you to use AI, try to remember that you're allowed to walk straight out the door, without so much as two weeks notice if the request is really so offensive to you.…
This is ironic in the context of Dang’s opening comment on this sub tree.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
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> At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. I store my "memories" in markdown on disk, accessible with RAG independent of which model i use or where inference runs. This is pretty common I think? > What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability I use primarily local models so I don't have th…
If you stop trying to find something like truly ontologically novel about it, you might be able to understand what it actually is. Okay it's not impressive. It's not incredible. It's not groundbreaking new technology. It is what it is.
It is being discussed as though it were ontologically novel, karpathy is saying it's something new and he is an authority, so to me there is something here that i am not seeing. I promise i am not trying to be a naysayer or poke holes, I am literally just trying to find out what the hell it is. I would install it but i don't want to install something without knowing what it does, and what is written in the docs is clear as mud.
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> And don't forget that the chips it runs on are manufactured by companies I might not agree with. Nor the mining companies that got the metal. Nor the energy company that powers it. You see that this is a non sequitur right? No matter who makes the chips or mines the metal or supplies the power, the behavior of the thing won't be affected. That isn't the case when we're talking about who's training the LLM that's ru…
What do you think a GPU is? A chip manufacturer absolutely has the ability to add their own bias in firmware and drivers.
Care to explain how chip makers can influence the inference outcome of LLMs?
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I'm not trying to help you, I'm just wondering how the LLM actually helps you. You don't need to become a journeyman at understanding a format, you just need to see a schema, or find an open source utility. I just can't comprehend the actual helplessness that a developer would have to experience in order to have to ask an LLM to do something like this. If I were that daunted by parsing a standardized file format for…
I’ll give you a real concrete example. I had to build an app on the Mac, which needed to be signed. I did not want to learn Apple signing procedures in order to do this. It turns out I did not have to, because I got the robot to learn it. So then I was able to finish doing what it was I intended to do without having to spend an afternoon or a day misunderstanding the Apple signing procedures. Could I have learned the…
A full adder is literally one of the easier theoretical computer science concepts, and a sine approximation is a simple Maclaurin series. And yes, if you can't do a simple series expansion, you are not an engineer. You may be a developer, but not an engineer.
These are both first or second year bachelors topics. Just because you're unable to work through simple math problems doesn't mean any semi-competent computer professional would be.
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I mean, that's a quality of conversation that you can reliably expect in Hacker News.
No disagreement. It just feels like increasingly it’s getting more cynical. It’s probably the case with most online communities but it’s a shame to see it so much here now.
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You're telling me that a person that's greedy enough to have a net worth of several tens of millions doesn't care about money? Pull the other one, it's got bells on.
Having things doesn't make you greedy
Having a few hundred thousand doesn't make you greedy, it makes you fortunate.
Having a hundred times that does make you greedy. You had more than enough long before getting to that point. You could have been content with less, so the only reason to try to extract more out of others is greed.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#889I still don't understand what openclaw is or does and i've read the docs multiple times over. "Any OS gateway for AI agents across WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more. Send a message, get an agent response from your pocket. Plugins add Mattermost and more." "What is OpenClaw? OpenClaw is a self-hosted gateway that connects your favorite chat apps — WhatsApp, Telegram, Discord, iMessage, and more — to AI c…
It was surprisingly difficult for me to understand the use case as well. Here is my best attempt at an elevator pitch: At present your memories are proprietary data in whichever LLM you use. ChatGPT keeps all your conversations and output and data forever. What if you don't like GPT 5.2? What if you want to use other models as well? Or use the best model for the job? OpenClaw gives you that ability. Your memories and…
I hear all these words and try to imagine what useful tools could be written that didn't rapidly enshittify the commons where they were used, but all I see is a highly capable footgun.
I feel fairly sure that clever folks will come up with useful (not just interesting or funny) things to do with them, but I'm also fairly sure there will be a lot of missing feet.
Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents
#890Since his times at Tesla, Karpathy, despite his talents, has always been a industrial hype bullshit generator.
I work at a company that is forcing us to use AI as much as possible for our coding work. I did 1 month's of work in 1 day last week. A few hiccups, but the slop works as expected. From where I sit, the hype is real.
Well, roughly half developers are below the average. LLM code is good enough for them, but now such developers can add technical debt faster.
Sorry, but if you don't see the issues with the code LLM generates....