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Post by trinsic2 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #741
trinsic2 wrote: post #588

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Yeah those guys, I think you are talking about Manga, They are not Christians, they are just using that as cover for already poisoned hearts.

I can point to countless times in history where belief in the Christian God was used to murder, subjugate and torture "others". The reality is that, regardless of what nice things Jesus may or may not have said, Christianity as an institution has always been used as a tool for power and coercion. That goes for all Abrahamic religions.

I'm not a Christian myself but I can see why bad people use religions to promote there agendas because of its hierarchical framework

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by trinsic2 »

soulofmischief wrote: post #737
trinsic2 wrote: post #585

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Its never too late, eventually things will turn and when that happens, you will be in either the right position, or the wrong position, depending on your actions.

That optimism doesn't readily apply to collapsing empires. If Congress doesn't get its shit in gear, the US is over. Our president is a hair away from sending military to arrest multiple governors of US states. Trust in this current government and Constitution are at an all-time low. It's increasingly likely that the US splits up into a few regional autonomous zones, but it's unknown just how insane of a civil war th…

This is all true and happening. But it's not optimism. It's inevitability. We have historical context for change. The would goes though polarities like this through the course of time that's why it's important to stay true to humanity.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

charcircuit wrote: post #468
azan_ wrote: post #395

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> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there. Are you sure it's this kind of thinking that's at fault? I would've said that it's actually caused by giving people without training and any serious screening extreme power with absolutely zero accountability. Would love to hear your take on this though.

Yes, I am sure it plays a factor, giving people justification for their actions. The issue is that restoring order is not easy. And when the people making disorder are antagonistic to the people restoring order that clash leads to unfortunate scenarios. Lack of training (specifically direct experience of dealing with such behavior) or screening plays a role in how order is restored but these are reactive actions. In…

The people "making disorder" are operating democratically within the former USA constitution.

Those you consider to be bringing order are arbitrarily enacting violence against citizens and other people in ways that break the law and Constitution; and which are outlawed in all moral societies. Sure, strict conformance to a dictators whims is a form of order, but if you seek that sort of order in your life you should look for a dom and not attempt to impose it on others.

The clashes do not have to happen. Trump's Regime can be removed, habeas corpus resurrected, and the Constitution re-implemented.

Your mind appears to wear jackboots.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by terminalshort »

GuinansEyebrows wrote: post #880
terminalshort wrote: post #630

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Palantir will never be prosecuted because they don't actually engage in any violations of privacy themselves or take possession of any data. They just sell software that enables it. And their main customer is the people who do the prosecuting. For the government prosecuting Palantir would be an admission of guilt, so it will never happen.

maybe this will end up depending on case law determined by pending suits against RealPage for assisting in rental pricing manipulation. [0] given the current administration, i'm not holding my breath. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RealPage#Lawsuits

This just doesn't make sense when the government is the customer. If you have a problem with what Palantir does, then your real problem is with the government because that's who is actually putting the tool to use. Why would you go after the vendor instead of the government who will just keep doing the same thing if you go after Palantir?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nailer »

thrance wrote: post #482
nailer wrote: post #325

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Someone bought a Sig Sauer gun that’s known to go off when moved suddenly (you can find as many videos as you want on the issue) - grabbed an agent and resisted arrest. The gun went off during the arrest, officers thought the man was firing at them. It’s tragic - the way to prevent this is to increase calm, give the federal officers some support, stop conspiracy theories (eg like the boy that abandoned by his father…

You saw the videos, the guy only had a phone in hand, he got tear gased, pinned to the ground, and then they unloaded their guns on him. Stop lying about what you saw, or we'll start to believe you're actually pro-murder.

Phone was in his right hand (our left) and gun was holstered near his other hand. The gun went off into the ground as P320s are known to do when they removed it from him and officers reacted.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

quacked wrote: post #728
4gotunameagain wrote: post #723

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Using the medical need of someone's child in order to track them down and deport them, separating them from their family ? I wish I believed in god, because this shit is beyond evil.

What ICE is doing is naked incompetent fascism and the entity needs to be disbanded with hostility. With that said, no, it's not evil to deport people who entered a country illegally. If I sneak into China, and China finds out, they are morally and legally clear to send me back, whether or not I've had children in China.

OG classical fascism was pretty incompetent and bumbling at times too.

eventually they got their shit together.

China is a demographic disaster in slow motion and should be keeping anyone they can get who wants to say. The US and EU have avoided much stagnation by importing more bodies, and there is no ethnic component to USA-ian identity compared to being Han and being forced to speak Mandarin.

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Post by Amezarak »

rsynnott wrote: post #761
JuniperMesos wrote: post #687

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Lucy Connolly was imprisoned for about a year in the UK for posting an inflammatory anti-immigration social media post which was deemed illegal under UK law, and is currently being threatened ( https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2157938/lucy-connolly-pris... ) with being returned to jail for posting social media content attacking the current UK government. This is hardly the only example of the UK, or other Anglophone…

Can’t even incite murder anymore without being put in prison; it’s political correctness gone mad! There is no country in the world where inciting arson of housing counts as free speech. The UK has actual problems with free speech (particularly the Online Safety Act), but this isn't one of them. In whatsapp: > She said that if Ofsted were to get involved, she would tell them it was not her and that she had been the v…

> There is no country in the world where inciting arson of housing counts as free speech.

Wrong. In the USA that speech would have been protected. It obviously does not meet the imminent lawless action standard and is not meaningfully incitement.

What she actually said was:

> “Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f*** hotels full of the ba***s for all I care … if that makes me racist so be it.”

This is clearly someone just angrily ranting. It's absurd nonsense to pretend otherwise. Imagine arresting everyone who said "punch Nazis" because that's "incitement." The UK is one of the worst speech control regimes in the world on any honest scale - even in most third-world dictatorships at least the state isn't strong or coordinated enough to go after most people for this stuff. Sorry, most of the world doesn’t punish angry hateful off the cuff comments with prison. You are an outlier.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

fullstop wrote: post #868
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #861

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> Did you carry proof of citizenship as a child? Do you carry it today? I don't, as my license is not a "real id" yet. Where I'm from, I am legally required to have proof of ID with me all the time. So basically used to never leaving home without it. No, going back to what you're saying: why is it wrong to deport somebody that came to the US illegally? Just because they were good citizens is it OK to be forgiven for…

> Where I'm from, I am legally required to have proof of ID with me all the time. So basically used to never leaving home without it. Yes, I too have proof of ID. It does not prove that I am a citizen. I can also tell you that children in the USA do not carry ID. > No, going back to what you're saying: why is it wrong to deport somebody that came to the US illegally? If they were brought here as young children, yes,…

> Yes, I too have proof of ID. It does not prove that I am a citizen. I can also tell you that children in the USA do not carry ID.

I guess here is the misunderstanding. I cannot get an ID without being a citizen.

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