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Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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Yes, but that is because they are in fact women. This is obvious, surely.
How very brave of you to create this new account just to post something "obvious". I'm guessing it's "obvious" because of cyclic definitions, and deliberate imperviousness to the idea that chromosonal sex, phenotypical sex and gender aren't strictly equivalent.
I don't subscribe to the sexist belief system that women and men are defined by collections of cultural stereotypes or as mere identities to be opted into.
Quite astounding that people sincerely believe this nonsense and end up so proudly expressing stupidity like "men can get pregnant" because of it.
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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Centrally planning? My guy, the EU is not founding companies, it is giving existing companies subsidies. The profits of those companies will not be public, they are private. Nationalization and regularization are both on the decline. The opposite has happened: privatization of state monopolies and deregulatization. I also think it's hilarious that you think a) the EU is feminist, and b) that feminism is leftist. What…
> My guy, the EU is not founding companies, it is giving existing companies subsidies. The profits of those companies will not be public, they are private. I can vouch forst hand that research money is being funneled to startups and other private companies Nobody claimed it isn't, but governments trying to pick winners by subsidizing startups is still the same old left wing politics. You don't see the USA spray grant…
> You don't see the USA spray grants around at the scale the EU does, do you? I'm pretty sure they don't directly subsidize startups at all.
Not true at all. The amount of support is comparable. It's just that you have to count everything, not only whatever is classified under pure "grants". R&D paid by the government (external financing). Tax credits (R&D, CHIPS, IRA, clean energy). Loan guarantees. SBIR/STTR (America's Seed Fund). Non-dilutive grants/contracts for R&D, often followed by government procurement contracts (Spacex, etc). DoD/Darpa, NIH, NSF, NASA, DOE, EDA. Earmarks. Congressional "community projects". Sector bailouts...
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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There is an actually easy an effective escape hatch right here in the US: Community college to state school path. You can get a full bachelors degree for ~$35k. All four years, $35k. Not per year. Full degree. $35k. And that's before any scholarships or grants. Kids and parents are just insane though, and want to flex about the college they are going to from day one. Its become a ritualistic practice with social sham…
A degree from the "right" college surely helps for certain firms? Sure, it must be a small number of top ones as most can't afford to be that choosy about their candidates. Whether that is a sensible strategy for the firm (a candidate bias towards those who can pay the top college fees) is another question.
In those cases the sensible strategy for students/parents is to get most of the degree in the local college and then move to a prestigious college at the very end of one's studies.
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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For campus, we ask very straightforward questions to try to weed out the very lowest of coding fluency at that early stage. (Basically to try to guard against late track changers who haven’t actually coded but know that the SWE market is better than whatever their original interest was.) If I ask that of a senior candidate, it’s because I got a whiff of “this candidate might not be able to code at all, and I’d like t…
I don’t know, I still think 22 year old me might still flub even a simple on the fly question (granting that I do my first internship with IBM writing lots of code when I was 20).
If they flub half of the time and go on seven such interviews, they have over a 99% chance to pass at least one of them.
And that’s for someone with only a 50/50 success rate at summing an array of integers. Do you want to hire someone for a software role who is an underdog to be able to sum an array of ints?
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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> High-education countries don't look like basket cases. They are all low fertility countries.
High fertility countries are doing great, obviously. If at first you don't succeed, redefine success.
Of course there are only two options, low and high.
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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And that money would stay in their countries respective economies and everyone would be better off for it. Maybe someone would start a local alternative. It would be used productively instead of on ads that make everyone’s lives worse.
My purpose was to cast doubt on Rayiner's assertion that "Since the 1980s, the U.S. economy has become highly financialized. It’s disputed how much American economic dominance is real versus on paper today." I was not commenting on whether the world would be better off if the US were less economically dominant.
And I’m saying that that dominance is mostly in irrelevant categories like ads and entertainment, so it would be at best an annoyance if those companies were to disappear.
There’s very few internet companies doing truly unique, irreplaceable work.
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
#888Total cost of ownership is 4 years x $15k-$25k (for a cheap public school) + missed income from working that same four years ($35k x 4 years). This is equal to $220k +/- $20k of lost money. Now compare this to income differential. Starting grad income is $80k(?). At 4% raise per year compared to 3.5% raise per year for a non-college employee. Over 43 years. My math comes out to the college grad is still making more m…
This idea that a university degree gets you a higher exponent on your annual raises seems like a poor model. Many careers have an effective ceiling on possible wages, baring becoming an executive or owner of some sort.
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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I’ve never had an interview question that asked me to do something straightforward. If I did get a question like that, I would be immediately suspicious about what the catch was.
For campus, we ask very straightforward questions to try to weed out the very lowest of coding fluency at that early stage. (Basically to try to guard against late track changers who haven’t actually coded but know that the SWE market is better than whatever their original interest was.) If I ask that of a senior candidate, it’s because I got a whiff of “this candidate might not be able to code at all, and I’d like t…
We ask of every candidate. At least half the time, I wish I'd done so before getting invested in the "experience" portion, when that ends up not actually translating to ability (and believe me, I am trying to help them to succeed)
The beauty is, even a simple exercise answered quickly like "sum of integers" provides ample opportunity to learn a lot about how they think.
Start digging in to testability, requirement changes, etc. Change it to a rolling sum (producing a sequence instead of a single value). Do they use an array or an iterator? Do they output straight to the console, or produce an actual function? Could the numbers come from other sources (database, queue, etc)? What might the tradeoffs be? If there's something they are unfamiliar with, are they quick on the uptake if you explain it? And so on.
Re: Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost
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The thing is, prestige and cost do not go hand in hand. The most expensive schools are not the most prestigious. I think Vanderbilt was the first school to hit the ignominious milestone of $100,000/yr, and they're not Ivy League, Ivy+, or perhaps even Ivy++ (if such a classification existed).
Yeah, ok, but this doesn't invalidate what I said above. Completing the degree with MIT, Stanford, Berkeley, and such will cost you ~$100k per year (give or take) but they will also open you a door of landing a prestigious job more easily than with the other colleges. Entry level salaries for most of these folks are ~$200k/yr so having a ~$400k total cost for education, even though I agree it looks totally crazy when…
In general, if a student can get into MIT/Stanford, he will also have been accepted to some less-competitive universities, and likely with decent scholarship. Would it be smarter to go to MIT at full price or Northeastern on a half scholarship?
The fact that people are still signing on the dotted line and paying for these expensive schools is a testament to the value they are perceived to convey. But as the polling shows, America is falling out of love with higher ed. Between this trend and the coming demographic trends, university admissions will get less competitive across the board in coming decades.