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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by yihtserns »

opello wrote: post #759
hackyhacky wrote: post #738

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Changpeng Zhao broke the law and got caught. Everyone agrees on that. What you present above is revisionist history about "political persecution," which is the favorite justification of the current administration for pardoning convicted felons, even in the total absence of any evidence supporting a conclusion of political persecution. See also George Santos, J6 rioters, etc. I don't think it's really necessary to pre…

Is there a place for a logical counter-point in there not having been charges against people responsible for the 2008 financial crisis? It seems like a selective enforcement of rules or consequences in both situations to me.

Those people responsible for the 2008 financial crisis yet not charged, they should be charged with breaking what law?

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by specialist »

JauntTrooper wrote: post #505
collingreen wrote: post #354

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If we can't figure out how to get a Congress that most people believe in then I worry that is the beginning of the end for this government. Hopefully we get to try from scratch a third time if that happens but I worry that collapse will be too tempting for Russia or China to not step in. Maybe we can be lucky and get conquered by Canada first in that case? What a weird thing to think...

Gerrymandering is at the heart of the rot.

Yes and: our first-past-the-post form of elections begets gerrymandering.

My future perfect world:

  proportional representation for assemblies (eg US House), 

  some arbitrarily low number of reps per citizens (200k - 400k?),

  no upper assembly (eg US Senate),

  approval voting for executive positions (eg Mayor, Sheriff, President),

  only public financing of campaigns,

  limit campaign season to maybe 6 weeks.
Friendly amendments to my wishlist cheerfully accepted.

There's so many reasonable, impactful reforms which could be done. And my wishlist is based on my (imperfect) understanding of best available (political) science. And I'm all ears about SCOTUS reforms. And I doubt any reforms will stick, so long as our gini coefficient is so out of whack (wealth vs democracy, the timeless struggle).

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by [deleted] »

eqvinox wrote: post #562
dylan604 wrote: post #311

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Which congress do you want doing that review? The past several congresses have been unqualified to do any sort of constitutional reviewing in my opinion.

The U.S. is running an outdated installation of democracy. The French approach of just rebooting and reinstalling the entire thing seems like a good idea at this point. Except the populace is already badly split into warring camps.

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Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by Der_Einzige »

ethbr1 wrote: post #842
NaomiLehman wrote: post #454

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I can't believe the dominant country is running this timeline.

Give it a few years. The US ceding its dominance by trying to re-follow its 1970s/80s playbook (now with less Volcker!) in a 2024+ world will go down as one of the biggest geopolitical own-goals of all time.

If trump were willing to call for extended high interest rates, we’d be in a far better spot. Trump trying to bring them down rapidly is perk of mt stupid especially during rampant speculation in GenAI.

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Post by billy99k »

tzs wrote: post #33
billy99k wrote: post #21

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He pardoned one family member who actually committed a crime, one who had been subject to some allegations that went nowhere, and several who had no creditable allegations of any criminal activity. If Harris had won it is likely that none of those pardons would have happened. They happened because Trump was promising to go after the families of people he saw as an enemy.

Trump will need to pardon him and his entire administration. Not because they are criminals, but for fear that the Democrats will go after their enemies.

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Post by cjbgkagh »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #790
cjbgkagh wrote: post #101

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What about the whataboutism of whataboutism? I.e. meta-whataboutism The use of whataboutism and the ‘calling out’ of whataboutisms are both mechanisms of narrative control.

Whataboutism is a rhetological fallacy. Making fallacies is bad. Pointing out fallacies (or as you put it, "narrative control" ) is good.

Controlling the narrative is often the point of using rhetorical fallacies.

Like the intolerance of intolerance there is discretion over what are acceptable intolerances. With whataboutism there is discretion over what are acceptable appeals to hypocrisy.

Whatsboutism is merely saying your appeal to hypocrisy is invalid. Which would hold more weight with me if the side saying it never made appeals to hypocrisy of their own. Otherwise they’re being hypocritical about making appeals to hypocrisy.

On the substance, I hate what Trump has done. I would not take the position that what Trump did is ok because of what Biden did.

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Post by ajross »

LexiMax wrote: post #635
ajross wrote: post #584

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> these past few administrations I remain amazed at how, again and again, no matter how specific and unique an abuse by the Trump administration is, it is always, invariably, Really Joe Biden's Fault. Like, the frame has been adopted by the MAGA base, but also the cranky left. The media does it too. Here on HN bothsidesism is a shibboleth that denotes "I'm a Serious Commenter and not a Partisan Hack". But it leads to…

> Here on HN bothsidesism is a shibboleth that denotes "I'm a Serious Commenter and not a Partisan Hack". HN users don't necessarily do that because they want to. They might do it as a pre-emptive defense mechanism against the brigades of de-facto censors that roam the site. Moderation via populism is an anti-feature on its face, but Hacker News has the worst possible version of that sort of feature by making downvot…

The fact that this arguable, but clearly reasoned and expressed comment is now deep gray kinda puts an exclamation point on the argument, I'd say.

(Honestly I think the moderation paradigm at HN has some bad externalities too, but really this isn't a solvable problem in the general case and nowhere does it well. The showdead mechanism at least makes the censorship visible to those who know where to look.)

Re: Trump pardons convicted Binance founder

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Post by stunt »

We are allowing this to happen. For so many years corrupt politicians have avoided any consequences so it grows and becomes new normal.

Market manipulation has been the norm for many years because nobody did anything to stop it.

Pardoning criminals is becoming the new normal. Next normal is going to be launching wars to distract public and is going to cost a lot of lives.

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