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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Post by brentm »

ohdeargodno wrote: post #770
brentm wrote: post #706

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> This situation ends in two ways: either the Palestinians disappear, or Israel disappears. See this is the problem, that kind of thought is why Israel is comfortable allowing the people of Gaza to suffer indefinitely. Hamas and the people of Gaza have zero power in this situation. They can either bend over backwards and appease Israel to try to regain some trust and maybe at some point Israel will slowly loosen rest…

Bend over backwards to a country that tortured them and is committing a genocide against them? Would you have asked the Jews to bend over backwards to Nazi Germany to appease them? You're not interested in discussing in good faith, pretending that this is only because of October 7. Hope you sleep soundly while tens of thousands of children die at the hand of a genocidal state.

> Would you have asked the Jews to bend over backwards to Nazi Germany to appease them?

The holocaust did not happen because Jews were sneaking into Berlin and murdering innocent people in their homes. When the current conflict begins in that way then the group who started it needs to beg for forgiveness, especially when that is their only card. Hamas is no match for Israel militarily and have no cards to play here. Their only options is to continue to make their people suffer and hope that somehow that leads to outside powers interjecting and changing their situation for the better. The best way to resolve this is to beg for forgiveness and internally remove Hamas from power. Hamas is the problem here, I'd like to think the average citizen of Gaza could find a way to live in peace with Israel if given the choice.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

js8 wrote: post #334
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #253

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> international peacekeeping forces To the extent there is consensus among today’s superpower and regional powers, it’s that international peacekeepers don’t work. At best they delay while incubating a conflict.

Actually, there are studies that show (by looking at past conflicts) that peacekeeping does work.

> there are studies that show (by looking at past conflicts) that peacekeeping does work

They work for the people whose peace they're keeping. Their benefit to the benefactors is less clear. It's why they're becoming increasingly uncommon [1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_peaceke...

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

lostlogin wrote: post #402
hersko wrote: post #398

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You think Israel would just collapse if the US stopped supporting them?

Who would support Israel? Who’s aircraft carriers would stand by?

> Who would support Israel?

If the United States launched a land war on Israel and Palestine, Russia and China. It would be an opportunity to bog down the United States in the Middle East for another generation.

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Post by [deleted] »

js8 wrote: post #780
Adverblessly wrote: post #383

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> They already are in a civil war, if you stop (wrongly) looking at Israel/Palestine as two different states. Okay, so in your opinion, there is exactly one state that is currently engaged in a civil war. How would world leaders telling them "You are actually one country engaged in a civil war" stop that war? The Jewish minority in that case would not accept living in a muslim arab state since they consider Israel to…

> The Jewish minority in that case would not accept living in a muslim arab state since they consider Israel to be the sole refuge for jews in the world, the only place in the world where they don't have to be a minority. In the modern world, if you accept universal human rights, every minority in the world has to accept that it's a minority, and every majority in the world has to learn to accept the minority. In add…

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Post by cultofmetatron »

tguvot wrote: post #874
cess11 wrote: post #867

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Yes, that is quite peaceful given the circumstances and that thirty thousand people participated. The IDF should have retreated and the israeli government have ended the occupations and started dismantling its colonies in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, then entered negotiations about return and reparations. To get a feel for how the IDF perceives the Gaza strip border one can watch https://xcancel.com/Timesofgaza/…

well, in this case, idf reaction was quite peaceful given the circumstances and that thirty thousand people participated and tried to overrun the border while been armed

That you can write this, with a complete lack of awareness of how people who aren't brainwashed by zionist propaganda perceive what you're saying, is mind blowing honestly.

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Post by mhb »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #880
mhb wrote: post #876

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So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". And when there is no actual concentration camp we can say there is a "moral concentration camp". Stop getting your news from Al Jazeera, FFS.

> So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". Please show me where the targeted population is "increasing" over the last two years? is it because people from other areas are being forced to relocate and you guys call that a population increase? Where should i get my news from? last I checked, 100+ journalists came out with a written statement about how higher ups at…

What other areas?

Do you have any standards at all for what the word genocide means? You want to get into the muck about whether the population has increased or decreased by some fractional or single digit percentages? All this demonstrates is that you want to twist the meaning of words to support whatever interpretation of events is in vogue with your tribe.

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Post by slt2021 »

wolf550e wrote: post #869
slt2021 wrote: post #739

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There have been Jews in Jerusalem, even a majority of Jews, in Ottoman times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Jerusal... The Jews of Morocco (or Baghdad, or Tehran) can't go back. For that matter, surviving Polish Jews were chased out of Poland after WWII. Most Israeli Jews are Mizrahi and most Israeli Jews don't have a 2nd passport. And, of course, people have a right to self determination. Jews…

I love that you brought up right to self-determination.

However it comes with the bundle with all human rights and international laws, including Prohibion on forced displacement (like Nakhba), full recognition of Human Rights (apartheid state), territorial integrity (settlements), prohibion on genocide (ICC/ICJ is awaiting trial)

The international law has been settled on this: Two state solution, 1967 borders, full rights to Palestinian state, etc.

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Post by cultofmetatron »

mhb wrote: post #886
cultofmetatron wrote: post #880

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> So now when the targeted population is actually increasing, we can still call it a "genocide". Please show me where the targeted population is "increasing" over the last two years? is it because people from other areas are being forced to relocate and you guys call that a population increase? Where should i get my news from? last I checked, 100+ journalists came out with a written statement about how higher ups at…

What other areas? Do you have any standards at all for what the word genocide means? You want to get into the muck about whether the population has increased or decreased by some fractional or single digit percentages? All this demonstrates is that you want to twist the meaning of words to support whatever interpretation of events is in vogue with your tribe.

well it turns out that it in fact, has not grown since the war began

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/dec/06/instagram-...

but I mean, you guys also call amnesty international, the ICC, the BBC and reality itself antisemetic so believe whatever you want. the only "tribe" I'm in is the one where indiscriminate killing of innocent people is wrong.

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Post by ImJamal »

s1artibartfast wrote: post #866
ImJamal wrote: post #499

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I haven't confirmed the numbers, but I saw an estimate of 75% of Israeli military funding came from foreign aid (primarily the US) and those numbers did not include the US sitting in the Mediterranean with ships intercepting rockets. If they had to cut down their military to 25% they would collapse from outside attacks. Israel would probably figure out the funding so it wouldn't drop by that much though.

If you think it is important to your position, I recommend you look into confirming those numbers. Israel is spending around 30 Billion/yr now US is currently giving them about 18 Billion/yr US historically gave them about 4 Billion/yr US spending during the war is about 75% as much as internal spending, not 75% of the total. If US turned off the money tap, Israel would go from winning several wars at once to having…

Thanks for the clarification on the numbers. I will take a look into them more.

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Post by xg15 »

nandomrumber wrote: post #879
xg15 wrote: post #685

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No, but the level of dehumanization openly present is comparable.

That’s a wildly out of touch with way reality statement! If you flooded Gaza with chemical weapons and wiped them all out you wouldn’t even come close!

Did you just mean that it wouldn't be comparable because it would only be 2 million instead of 6 million, or did I misunderstand you?
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