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Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #870

and yet people still refuse to understand the utility of bitcoin/lightning protocol in relation to situations like this (or cutting donations to Greenpeace or Wikileaks)

Crypto uses more power than Generative AI with fewer users. A much easier solution is to use the law to classify the payment processors as common carriers.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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I very strongly oppose this because Visa and MC are payment processors: their jobs are to (1) ensure money gets from points A to B and (2) protect consumers from fraud and other malicious practices (I know that's very vague here but...). This is neither of those things. This is them indirectly censoring individuals based on what they publish by placing pressure on the publisher to not publish those things. That is not power these processors/financial institutions should have. It is completely irrelevant what their opinion of what your paying for is. If it isn't illegal, they should have no power or right to deny it. It would be one thing if the platforms chose to do this themselves. That's the rights of the platforms (Steam and Itch); they are the ones publishing these games. It would be another if the law explicitly said that a payment processor could not send money to pornographic [whatever]. (That would be massively unconstitutional, but let's ignore that for the sake of this discussion.) Neither applies here. Then again, I also find it absurd that my bank can't force P2P payment processors like CashApp to return money that I sent to someone by mistake, or because I was scammed/manipulated into doing it. Their logic is "well, contact CashApp", and CashApp of course says "Oh but we can't do that". Which is utter nonsense, because of course they can, they just don't want to.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #863

It's crazy to me that people can simultaneously understand that censorship is bad and still think we can allow for exceptions for things like "obscenity/pornography" or "hate speech" Free expression means that objectionable things will be said, even published. There are certainly hairy exceptions, like doxxing, slander, or incitement to violence that can put people in immediate danger, but stuff like this clearly doe…

This isn't censorship. This is VISA/MC saying "you can't pay for porn with our service" or more broadly, "you can't pay for things that we don't want to be associated with" which is their right.

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Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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...sweet summer child visa is hitting DLSite hard https://cs.dlsite.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500002888202-What-p... actually it seems all the major western credit card players have already blocked them. i remember seeing pay with crypto so i guess thats what you need to use in the west

Another framing of this: Mastercard / Visa, and by extension whomever had them to do the crackdown, are now powerless to change DLSite. Googling for news, it seems like the story between DLSite and M/V is a push and pull. Many articles turn up that say they have an agreement, then a disagreement, then an agreement again, then a suspension, then they bring it back again etc. My point here is that their relationship wi…

It's not just dlsite, Visa is on killing spree in Japan https://automaton-media.com/en/news/access-to-adult-pc-games... - see links to other cases

As for objectification of women: https://automaton-media.com/en/news/credit-card-restrictions...

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #863

It's crazy to me that people can simultaneously understand that censorship is bad and still think we can allow for exceptions for things like "obscenity/pornography" or "hate speech" Free expression means that objectionable things will be said, even published. There are certainly hairy exceptions, like doxxing, slander, or incitement to violence that can put people in immediate danger, but stuff like this clearly doe…

More importantly people thought they could vote republican and ignore their rabid religious governing. Particularly people like peter theil

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #849

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But not because I think people who don’t like nazi content should simply not buy nazi content. It’s because I don’t trust the government to ban any kind of political speech.

Why do you trust the government to ban non-political speech?

I don’t, I just don’t think non-political speech is as important.

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #863

It's crazy to me that people can simultaneously understand that censorship is bad and still think we can allow for exceptions for things like "obscenity/pornography" or "hate speech" Free expression means that objectionable things will be said, even published. There are certainly hairy exceptions, like doxxing, slander, or incitement to violence that can put people in immediate danger, but stuff like this clearly doe…

What are the principles governing the exceptions you listed (slander, doxxing, incitement)?

Mostly the principle that direct, tangible, and irreparable harm is being done by the speech. I called these "hairy" exactly because they are less clear-cut than most cases. The line between satire or speculation and slander, for example, can be kind of notoriously hard to draw, many "doxxing" incidents mostly involve finding already-public information, and incitement to violence is pretty difficult to demonstrate in a satisfying way

The reason I bring up these examples is that they are what I consider the edge cases of freedom of expression. There are genuinely difficult tradeoffs between values, but allowing stuff that bothers some people to be published is not one of them

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

#888

Why do you people always presume they know what is best for other people? Don't like porn? Cool, don't buy it or avert your eyes! As if this would stop anybody from getting access to pornographic content.

Some people actually care for the whole, or for the wholesomeness of a specific subset. This includes (on the face) most people who participate in public life. Which is a lot of people! >Don't like porn? Cool, don't buy it or avert your eyes! Why do you then tell others how to live their lives? Is really leaving everyone to their own devices the good idea? >As if this would stop anybody from getting access to pornogr…

> Why do you then tell others how to live their lives? Is really leaving everyone to their own devices the good idea?

Huh? Wait? Are you suggesting that by telling people to leave me alone I am infringing on their freedom to haggle me?!

What a disingenuous and hypocritical way to twist this around! Just wow.

(I did not downvote.)

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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post #746

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In the original days of TheRedPill one of the first things recommended was to drop porn IIRC (also workout and get paid more) The manosphere is probably a very large umbrella of all kinds of views only united by one common trait - being a man. Although you're not wrong that society is hyper sexualised and dating has become increasingly transactional

Recommending one drops porn indicates porn a problem for one.

Many things can sometimes be problems. Porn. Video games. Tacos. One time I made myself nauseous by dancing too much (low blood sugar probably). Let's ban dancing, yeah?

(Let's ban dancing, I wanna ban dancing with you, all night dancing (it's a reference to a music track))

Re: Steam, Itch.io are pulling ‘porn’ games. Critics say it's a slippery slope

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Cryptocurrency is the only way I see this working.

It already works; it's how people in China purchase adult content online, which is illegal there. Usually with USDT (which is also illegal there).

They actually bother purchasing it? They don't simply pirate it rampantly to around access problems?
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