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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by rini17 »

neepi wrote: post #854
kylebenzle wrote: post #852

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I suggest you re-read it a few times. I am not defending any party in this conflict. I want the truth to be established carefully for the sake of everyone. Misinformation just ends up with more bodies stacked up on both sides.

So far all evidence points to bodies being piled on one side. With only few exceptions. Going on over year and half without clear rationale other than vaguely "butbutbut human shields butbutbut propaganda".

By avoiding to admit this you are indeed defending the attacker.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by aisenik »

sorcerer-mar wrote: post #867
amy214 wrote: post #860

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Thank you for your unbiased opinion shedding objective light on this incident and reporting. You have brought forth excellent evidence for dismissing this evidence. Anyway, some more history to consider: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2017-11-17/ty-article/.p...

I'm as prone to it as the next tech-influenced millennial, but we really need to consider the legibility of deadpan sarcastic mockery in an environment where people are inclined to sincerely hold outrageous beliefs.

Credulity is boundless, even (especially) in this world of open information warfare. Messages that require side-channels and discrimination with intentionally limited information are guaranteed to be misperceived and likely to have harmful memetic impact.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by YZF »

vharuck wrote: post #877
YZF wrote: post #733

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What is you definition of "genocide against the Palestinians"? Are you including Palestinians that are Israeli citizens? The West Bank? Those living outside the region? Word choice matters here. Is Israel executing a plan to kill all Gazans? I am 100% convinced Israel is not actually committing a genocide against Palestinians. That claim has no factual support. Do I agree with everything Israel is doing? No. Are ther…

Let's go by the ICC definition for genocide (Article 6 of their Elements of Crimes): https://www.icc-cpi.int/sites/default/files/Publications/Ele... Israel has been killing Palestinian civilians. Israel has been restricting food and medical supplies going to Palestinian civilians. All of that was beyond reasonable in regard to military objectives (e.g., bombing hospitals to take out a weapons stash). Israel's politic…

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

the__alchemist wrote: post #218

Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…

No need for weird acronyms, it has been looking like a clear cut genocide for months now and Trump comments about displacement more than show he is aware and doesn’t care.

It’s not even about being shameful about Israel support at that point. It’s going to be a black stain on both countries forever.

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Post by [deleted] »

amy214 wrote: post #860
neepi wrote: post #659

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I don't like getting involved in political threads but on this I have to. All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides. It's difficult to tell what is fact and what is not. A lot of early reports in this war turned out to be false information and the rush to immediate news notification rather than quality journalism means that the head…

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Post by Yeul »

neepi wrote: post #659
edanm wrote: post #626

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I'll provide context too - I'm a Jewish Israeli. I'd probably be considered left (or even far-left) by Israeli standards, but I'm in the "pro-Israeli" camp as conventionally understood online. This Haaretz article is very troubling. To the extent it's accurate, there's not much question that it reflects war crimes. A few thoughts: 1. The article itself says there is an ongoing investigation into some of these accusat…

I don't like getting involved in political threads but on this I have to. All information presented is mostly unverified testimony printed verbatim by the press from untrustworthy sources on both sides. It's difficult to tell what is fact and what is not. A lot of early reports in this war turned out to be false information and the rush to immediate news notification rather than quality journalism means that the head…

Wait and see while each day people keep dying? And who the hell is going to do these investigations?

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Post by mikrotikker »

austin-cheney wrote: post #12

The biggest problem with this isn’t the horror of the actual war crime. The far more serious concern are the lengths the government will go to avoid holding anyone accountable. That is so much worse because it unintentionally endorses future crimes and challenges the offenders to take ever more offensive actions without fear of consequences.

Or maybe because this isn't happening at all could be the reason why because there is actually no one to hold accountable because this is just some hysterical anti semitic conspiracy theory.

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Post by mikrotikker »

tkel wrote: post #13

We already knew this was happening from testimony from Gazans, it was obvious that the new US-Israeli monopolized "aid" organization was running the Hunger Games, with dozens killed by Israelis (+ US contractors) every time there was a distribution day, and horrific pictures and video of it. Entirely predictable too when the genocidaires are controlling the aid. It is good there is now proof from the inside as well.

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Post by mikrotikker »

FireBeyond wrote: post #479
alkhatib wrote: post #215

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Green light : They send out notifications to people telling them aid is available at a certain location. Red light: 10 minutes later they send out another notification saying no aid is being distributed there today and start shooting anyone in the area

Just like several months ago, “we advise Gazans to move to southern Gaza as operations intensify in the north”. Within days: “Israeli bombing of southern Gaza intensifies 80%”.

You don't understand military ops. By announcing like this they can see the Hamas operatives expose themselves as they start moving, preparing like little ants and bomb them - not civilians.

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Post by srj »

justin66 wrote: post #415
srj wrote: post #363

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I'm fairly certain you haven't read the haaretz article. Otherwise your comment is inexplicable.

The article cites no evidence except for anonymous accounts. There's no video evidence even though people would widely have smart phones there. The association distributing aid as well as Israel's government have denied any of this happened.

I'd be upset if this happened too, but there's no evidence of that. My guess is that warning shots were fired.

Did I miss something from the article? I did read it.

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