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Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by sgarland »

jeltz wrote: post #552
101008 wrote: post #437

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That is what happens when your dev learnt it from an online course instead of going to college or through proper education. "Anyone can code!"

Maybe you should skip bashing modern devs and people who learnt from online courses when the parent poster is the one in the wrong. Unless InnoDB has a particularly bad implementation of disk backed temporary tables almodt all disk IO should be done in the background so the latency cost should be small. I recommend benchmarking on you particular workload of you really want to know hur big it is. I am an old-school de…

Please see this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43863885

We have excellent metrics between PMM and AWS Perf. Insights / Enhanced Monitoring. I assure you, on-disk temp tables were to blame. To your point, though, MySQL 5.7 does have a sub-optimal implementation in that it kicks a lot of queries out to disk from memory because of the existence of a TEXT column, which internally treated as a BLOB. Schema design is also partially to blame, since most of the tables were unnecessarily denormalized, and TEXT was often used where VARCHAR would have been more appropriate, but still.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by scblock »

scioto wrote: post #716

My $0.02 with 708 comments ahead of me. I currently use Windows, 10 to be exact, to play games, and in a VM to run an income tax fat app (since the online version is so much more expensive). My game machine cannot upgrade to 11. A mobo upgrade won't be that expensive for the game machine, but instead I'll covert it to a Linux box and run the few games that work on Linux. I believe my Windows days are over as of, say,…

FYI "the few games that work" is most of them these days, including newer games like Baldur's Gate 3 and Elden Ring and older ridiculous towers of cards like my heavily modded Skyrim setup. I think it's mostly things that use invasive anti-cheat software that struggle. I use a mix of Steam and Heroic Games Launcher and haven't run into anything I've been playing recently that doesn't work except my PSVR2 to PC adapter in Steam, which I haven't taken any time to troubleshoot.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by makapuf »

90s_dev wrote: post #802
afavour wrote: post #617

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I know this is such a stereotypical "get off my lawn" statement but we've lost the art of software engineering. It's all about stuffing as many features in as quickly as we can and pushing it out to as many people as possible. Performance is always secondary. Not that I'm that nostalgic for the old days, we would have been doing the exact same thing if we were able to get away with it. But performance restrictions me…

> we've lost the art of software engineering Yes! This is what all my projects are geared towards restoring. The big one is not quite ready to announce yet, but I am very proud of it, and extremely excited to release it, to solve exactly that: it makes engineering fun again!

Well that username matches

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by sgarland »

sgarland wrote: post #382
alliao wrote: post #340

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some of the modern software is slower because someone made a poor decision to fetch something from the network on the critical path of main functionality... kills me

It’s because modern devs by and large have zero concept of latency differences. I had to explain to people yesterday why an on-disk temporary table in MySQL was slower than an in-memory one. “But the disk is an SSD,” was an actual rebuttal I got. Never mind the fact that this was Aurora, so the “disk” is a slice of (multiple) SSDs exposed over a SAN…

I do want to add that many of the devs I work with and have worked with are genuinely interested in learning this stuff, and I am thrilled by it. What bothers me is when they neither have an interest in learning it, nor in fixing their bad patterns, and leadership shrugs and tells infra teams to make it work.

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Post by causality0 »

MisterTea wrote: post #555
barrkel wrote: post #328

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I came here looking for this. It's an old idea, from the days when spinning rust was the limiting factor - precache the binaries. If you ever tried Office 97 on a PC of 10+ years later, it's amazing how fast and lightweight it was. Instant startup, super snappy. And those apps were not lacking in features. 95% of what you need out of a desktop word processor was in Word 97.

> from the days when spinning rust was the limiting factor How did we get back to this though? We have gigabytes/sec with NVMe and stupid fast CPU's with at least 4 cores in even low end models. Yet a text editor takes so long to load we need to load it up on boot... Such a frustrating field to work in.

Ever notice how Windows 7 and 10 and 11 have basically the same features and benchmark the same on performance tests yet 10 and especially 11 completely shit the bed if you try to run them off a hard drive? Like they might all boot in twenty seconds from an SSD but booting from a hard disk might take W7 two minutes and W11 ten minutes to a stable desktop.

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Post by wkat4242 »

codr7 wrote: post #867
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Yeah it's because Mac Mail downloads every single email and indexes it locally. Outlook (especially the new one) is just electron-based webmail. So every search happens in the cloud and it doesn't have a full copy of all your emails. This would not be a problem for searching of course, if the cloud-based search worked properly. But yeah... About that. :X The "classic" outlook should do it better but it also doesn't i…

AI in search is just evil, something either exists or it doesn't, maybe on a Tuesday isn't good enough.

Well I have mixed feelings about it.

For general searches, I agree. I want those to be highly deterministic. But in that case I need to know exactly what I'm looking for.

There's also the other kind of thing though. "Who was that guy that I emailed with a year or two ago about this issue with MacBook Enrolment?". Yes I can filter by company or other details if I remember those things but sometimes I don't. And that's when AI search can really shine. Or not, it can also totally make up stuff out of its ass. But at least when it comes to emails that's easily verifiable.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

drjasonharrison wrote: post #845
7657364574 wrote: post #763

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My guess is that we're already seeing the consequences of "AI-assisted programming". Just yesterday, Microsoft's CEO revealed that 30% of their code is written by AI.

Given the game of telephone which would have to had occurred for that 30% figure to travel from developers up to the CEO, it's probably including things like autocomplete... The Plan In the beginning, there was a plan, And then came the assumptions, And the assumptions were without form, And the plan without substance, And the darkness was upon the face of the workers, And they spoke among themselves saying, "It is a…

Interesting that this story is not really a game of telephone, but instead a single layer replaced the meaning on purpose.

Re: Office is too slow, so Microsoft is making it load at Windows startup

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Post by EFreethought »

brainzap wrote: post #592
vjk800 wrote: post #192

I use Office software at work daily and I don't understand how that piece of shit can be so fucking slow. It's a serious productivity sink too; I often procrastinate small tasks just because I know half of the time doing it is spent waiting for various part of the office to load and that is somehow very stressful. I realise it is not a huge amount of time per se, but the psychological effect of the piece of crap stop…

Its sad because using Excel for quick decision making can be a super power, these days I use apple numbers

> "using Excel for quick decision making"

Could you expand on that?

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Post by tomrod »

godelski wrote: post #824
vjk800 wrote: post #192

I use Office software at work daily and I don't understand how that piece of shit can be so fucking slow. It's a serious productivity sink too; I often procrastinate small tasks just because I know half of the time doing it is spent waiting for various part of the office to load and that is somehow very stressful. I realise it is not a huge amount of time per se, but the psychological effect of the piece of crap stop…

People question why I use vim and live in the terminal. Well... because everything opens up instantly, and I can run email, spotify, my editor, debugger, pdf reader, file browser (with image previewing), and everything I need while using less than a gig of ram and barely any CPU usage. Not only that, but I get to make the things work in the way I want them to, not have to constantly hunt down random menus. If I'm eve…

Neat. I'm interested in your TUI setup. What do you use?
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