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A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by kasey_junk »

jiehong wrote: post #860
torginus wrote: post #836

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BYD's allowed to sell in Europe. They're not crushing the market here. They're not substantially cheaper, or better for what they offer for the price compared to other manufacturers.

EU import taxes designed to make them less cheap than local cars do that.

China has one of the least free trade regimes in the world, their currency controls alone amount to potentially more than Euro tariffs on cars and that’s just one part of their governmental stacking of the deck for their manufacturers.

I think it’s easy to look at the outputs of their industries and compare them extremely favorably to the outputs elsewhere, especially in EV.

But once you start comparing tariff adjusted pricing it gets much trickier much faster.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by wojciii »

NegativeLatency wrote: post #399
wojciii wrote: post #391

> "and the only way to listen to music while driving is if you bring along your phone and a Bluetooth speaker" Why not make a physical connection (power/network) and define a form factor for entertainment system with or without screen and speakers and let other companies design something to fit the space available. I don't understand why no one does this instead of selling cars full of crappy software that can't be u…

Double DIN already exists with fairly standard plugs in the back

This is not plug and play. I want plug and play. You could even make an entertainment system which just runs using a phone connected using usb or bt.. which would make it just like android auto but without needing the car to support anything from google.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by kasey_junk »

resters wrote: post #872
aucisson_masque wrote: post #857

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BYD is also heavily subsidized by the Chinese government. If the us were not to fight back, the non subsidized industries would die, Chinese would stop subsidizing, rack up the price and competition would be too difficult to start again because of the monopoly on lithium and advance on technology. It's been done thousands of times with other industries and countries. Most recently Google, who had been giving Android…

China’s approach to funding BYD is meant to replace much of the capital it might raise in freer markets, providing subsidies, tax breaks, and preferential policies to offset limited access to liquid equity and debt markets. This support, totaling $10-12 billion from 2018-2022 plus in-kind benefits, mirrors the role of U.S. automakers’ $160-220 billion in public market raises and $50-100 billion in private capital, bu…

The lack of freer markets is itself a response to the biggest subsidy the Chinese government provides its manufacturers, the currency controls.

Re: A $20k American-made electric pickup with no paint, no stereo, no screen

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Post by chollida1 »

Aren't backup cameras mandated in the US now? How do you have a background camera with no screen?

Edit I see the issue. The actual title say no touch screen. The OP altered the title to just say screen for some unexplainable reason.

Maybe this title should be fixed?

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Post by rco8786 »

IceHegel wrote: post #808
Animats wrote: post #771

The US is falling way behind in electric vehicles. If BYD could sell in the US, the US auto industry would be crushed.[1] What went wrong is that 1) Tesla never made a low-end vehicle, despite announcements, and 2) all the other US manufacturers treated electric as a premium product, resulting in the overpowered electric Hummer 2 and F-150 pickups with high price tags. The only US electric vehicle with comparable pri…

I think one of the biggest problems in the United States is the misallocation of ambitious people. The highly educated and ambitious people see finance, government, tech, and corporate executive tracks, as the way to convert their energies into social status. Even startups these days seem to be a case of too many chiefs, not enough Indians.

Can you demonstrate that this misallocation is worse in the US than it is in other countries?

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Post by rco8786 »

le-mark wrote: post #875
theshrike79 wrote: post #828

And the worst thing is that Elon could've been a living legend by building/funding colleges and schools focused on the tech his companies need, software development, robotics etc. Or even given out million dollar scholarships for the very top students. And he still would've been worth over 250 billion easily. Instead he chose to buy the president and start "optimising" the government with AI.

Elon has proven to truly be the dumbest smart guy ever. He alienated Tesla’s core customers; tree hugging liberals, and anyone who cares about sustainability. The GOP nor their voters care and never will. I called this Tesla stock crash months ago; did not act on it though.

One interesting thing is that he seems completely unaware that he is the problem. Stepping back from DOGE to focus on Tesla again. He thinks that him getting closer to Tesla will help save the brand, when it's exactly his association with it that caused the damage in the first place.

The best thing he could do for Tesla would be to step aside.

> I called this Tesla stock crash months ago

TSLA is currently up 5% MoM despite really, really horrible earnings and outlook. The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent sometimes.

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Post by fifilura »

Animats wrote: post #771

The US is falling way behind in electric vehicles. If BYD could sell in the US, the US auto industry would be crushed.[1] What went wrong is that 1) Tesla never made a low-end vehicle, despite announcements, and 2) all the other US manufacturers treated electric as a premium product, resulting in the overpowered electric Hummer 2 and F-150 pickups with high price tags. The only US electric vehicle with comparable pri…

> 3) integrating rear wheels, differential, axle, and motor into an "e-axle" unit that's the entire mechanical part of the power train

Obviously an electric vehicle is so much simpler than one with a gasoline engine. We have seen it already with lawn mowers who shrank from huge tractors to nimble robots.

An in particular when you don't start from the Autobahn-eater type of cars.

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Post by yakz »

mikrotikker wrote: post #843
herbst wrote: post #840

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Within only a few months I see more Chinese Electric cars than Tesla (or us cars generally) on swiss streets. Depending on what you are looking for they are WAY cheaper than comparable cars.

No way I'd trust them. When you crash them or they have a battery fault, the doors lock you inside before the battery catches fire. Many videos of this happening inside China with one recent event in the West.

There's a mechanical latch release handle integrated into the doors, but they are very much not meant to be used during normal operation and are designed to be inconspicuous. This seems to cause at least some people to fail to operate them during a fast-paced emergency situation.

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Post by [deleted] »

smcleod wrote: post #651
resters wrote: post #632

This is extremely refreshing. I think that it would be possible to make something like this in the US for under $15K even. Cars and trucks are so over-engineered and come with tons of low value options intended to drive up the price. For a case in point, consider that headlights that turn on and off automatically in response to darkness (or rain) are not a standard feature on many cars, yet they include a manual swit…

To be honest most of those accessories are actually incredibly cheap at manufacturing time and several have a direct impact on safety (e.g. ensuring people don't drive around with lights off). The cost usually comes as companies use them for pricing tiers where they market them as suggested extras to ratchet up profits.

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