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Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:08 AM UTC

kokanee wrote: post #158

mlsu wrote: post #137

I was really hoping that the conversation around AI art would at least be partially centered on the perhaps now dated "2008 pirate party" idea that intellectual property, the royalty system, the draconian copyright laws that we have today are deeply silly, rooted in a fiction, and used over and over again, primarily by the rich and powerful, to stifle original ideas and hold back cultural innovation. Unfortunately, i…

The idea of open sourcing everything and nullifying patents would benefit corporations like Disney and OpenAI vastly more than it would benefit the people. The first thing that would happen is that BigCorp would eat up every interesting or useful piece of art, technology, and culture that has ever been created and monetize the life out of it. These legal protections are needed by the people. To the Pirate Party's cre…

> The idea of open sourcing everything and nullifying patents would benefit corporations like Disney and OpenAI vastly more than it would benefit the people

No, support open source AI and this will not happen.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:13 AM UTC

munificent wrote: post #321

dcow wrote: post #310

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It's a rhetorical example. Suppose you need to create an avatar of your character. Why does it follow that it's not beneficial to have an AI help generate the avatar? You're responding to the specific example, not the general argument. Unless your counter is that whatever humanity is doing that AI is helping is probably stupid and shouldn't be done anyway.

> Unless your counter is that whatever humanity is doing that AI is helping is probably stupid and shouldn't be done anyway. No, my counter is that whatever generative AI is doing is worth doing by humans but not worth doing by machines. As the joke comic says: We thought technology was going to automate running errands so that we had time to make art, but instead it automates making art while we all have to be gig w…

> No, my counter is that whatever generative AI is doing is worth doing by humans but not worth doing by machines.

There is no basis to this claim, why is one worth doing by a biological machine but not a silicon one? People cling too highly to biological exceptionalism not understanding that one arose due to certain processes in the world and universe where somewhere else we might have been silicon beings all along. That is to say, people have huge amounts of cognitive dissonance thinking that they are actually simply machines of a biological variety.

> As the joke comic says: We thought technology was going to automate running errands so that we had time to make art, but instead it automates making art while we all have to be gig workers running errands.

Hardware is harder than software. Soon gig workers will be automated by AI too. I have heard this refrain a thousand times but it never ceases to make me think that it's in a specific time and place of the early 21 century. In the 22nd century, given such progress, we might talk of these discussions the same way artists and weavers did in (and of) the early 20th.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by qingcharles » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:14 AM UTC

barbazoo wrote: post #764

District5524 wrote: post #579

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I asked Sora to turn a random image of my friend and myself into Italian plumbers. Nothing more, just the two words "Italian plumbers". The created picture was not shown to me because it was in violation of OpenAI's content policy. I asked then just to turn the guys on the picture into plumbers, but I asked this in the Italian language. Without me asking for it, Sora put me in an overall and gave me a baseball cap, a…

I feel like the golden and fun age of GenAI is already over.

I feel the opposite. Like, we just entered the Golden Age.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:15 AM UTC

nradov wrote: post #317

dcow wrote: post #310

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It's a rhetorical example. Suppose you need to create an avatar of your character. Why does it follow that it's not beneficial to have an AI help generate the avatar? You're responding to the specific example, not the general argument. Unless your counter is that whatever humanity is doing that AI is helping is probably stupid and shouldn't be done anyway.

No one needs an avatar. You can draw a stick figure or take a selfie or whatever. This is all so silly and trivial.

> No one needs an avatar. You can draw a stick figure or take a selfie or whatever. This is all so silly and trivial.

This does not answer the question, this sidesteps the requirements. I can either have no avatar, or I can make one for the marginal cost of zero via an AI. This then belies that the true complaint of people against AI is one of an economic variety, not a technological one, in which case, fix the economics, and support open source AI so that all may have such tech, not just big tech.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:18 AM UTC

csallen wrote: post #807

bluGill wrote: post #804

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You know what dominates though: the big budget games/books/videos. Indie is sometimes really good, but a lot of it is horrible.

That's because the big budget creators are very good at business, which has four parts[1]: not just the product, but also the revenue model, the market, and distribution. Big budget studios are AMAZING at distribution. They blow indie devs out of the water, who focus almost all their effort on just product. Do big budget studios often make great games? Yes! But they often produce total garbage, too, just like indie d…

How has IH been going post-split from Stripe? I have not visited in a while but I'm curious on your thoughts. Also, if you are in or hosting any NYC-related events, I would love to join.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:21 AM UTC

simpaticoder wrote: post #817

thesuitonym wrote: post #753

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The worst part about this trend toward hypocrisy acceptance is that nobody cares when you point it out. This empowers the hypocrite to answer with "So what?" because they know they will face absolutely no consequences. In politics, business, and even personal life, most people have everything to gain and very little to lose*. And our current hyper-individualistic society has only exacerbated the issue. "Who cares if…

Yes, a lack of disincentive to hypocrisy and, in fact, considerable disincentive to pointing it out, seems to be the case. Why? From a utilitarian perspective, at the societal level hypocrisy undermines the "cooperate" Nash equilibrium; at the individual level, it undermines "conscience". The question we might ask is how did we lose conscience? If psychological egoism is the default "philsophy" of humans (and I think…

I too had been thinking of such a similar blog post, of why hyprocrisy even matters. In most of human history, might had essentially made right (or rather, power did not care whether it were hypocritical or not). However, we did indeed cooperate before modern liberalism as well, so it's hard to say exactly what effect this modern-day obsession being non-hypocritical creates.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:25 AM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #820

jimmaswell wrote: post #780

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This could a be verbatim quote from a seamstress talking about looms.

Yes. The Luddites had some pretty good ideas about resisting the centralization of profits into the hands of the people who owned the machines who took over their jobs, really. So did the French Revolution.

Not really, the machines these days are owned by everyone, the type of labor is not the same as it was, as anyone can own a laptop as a means of production. As an aside, I have seen your comments quite a bit on AI art related threads over the past few years, especially while I see close to none on ones related to AI code related ones, and I always thought there was some hypocrisy there, which actually led me to the theory that it is not the tech that threatens people so, but the economic incentives behind them, as you state in this comment.

That is why I would advocate for people to support open source AI that at least does not drive profits to any one entity, but people have been so knee-jerk reactive to anything AI over the years that they do not understand that more regulation only means that big tech, with the means to buy licenses to content, would essentially be the arbiters to new popular culture, ironically screwing creators even more in the process; think Disney, but 10x more powerful.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by satvikpendem » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:30 AM UTC

fashion-at-cost wrote: post #648

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #572

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> If that asset generates revenue for 120 years, then it’s slightly more valuable than an asset that generates revenue for 119 years, and considerably more valuable than an asset that generates revenue for 20 years. Not so, because of net present value. The return from investing in normal stocks is ~10%/year, which is to say ~670% over 20 years, because of compounding interest. Another way of saying this is that $1 i…

Your analysis misses the incredibly important caveat that revenue rises with inflation – or sometimes even faster. 50 years ago, a movie ticket was 0.50 cents in revenue. Today, it’s $25. That’s a 50x increase… a dollar in 50 years might be worth $0.02 today, but a movie ticket in 50 years is worth about a movie ticket today.

> 50 years ago, a movie ticket was 0.50 cents in revenue.

he average price in 1975 was $2.05 [0], which is ~$12 today [1]. That is not so different from most movie prices today, excluding concessions.

[0] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-movie-ticket-were-born-1...

[1] https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1975?amount=2.05

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by hobofan » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 4:57 AM UTC

mrguyorama wrote: post #838

ionwake wrote: post #534

Not sure if anyone is interested in this story, but I remember at the height of the PokemonGo craze I noticed there were no shirts for the different factions in the game, cant rememebr what they were called but something like Teamread or something. I setup an online shop to just to sell a red shirt with the word on it. The next day my whole shop was taken offline for potential copyright infringement. What I found sur…

Allen Pan, a youtuber "maker" who runs in the circle of people who run OpenSauce, was a contestant on a Discovery channel show that was trying to force the success of Mythbusters by "finding the next mythbusters!". He lost, but it was formative to him because those people were basically all inspired by the original show. A couple years ago, he noticed that the merchandise trademark for "Mythbusters" had lapsed, so he…

> THEY were in the wrong, and a lawyer agreed.

Not sure where you get that from. He doesn't say that in the cease & desist announcement video (though it's worded in a way that lets the viewers speculate that). Also from every time it's brought up on the podcast he's on, it very much seams like he knows that he doesn't have legal ground to stand on.

Just because someone let's a trademark lapse doesn't mean you can rightfully snatch it up with a new registration (as the new registration may be granted in error). It would be a different story if he had bought the trademark rights before them lapsing.

Allen Pan makes entertaining videos, but one shouldn't base ones understanding of how trademarks work based on them.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Post by kazinator » Sat, Apr 05, 2025, 6:41 AM UTC

lazyasciiart wrote: post #854

kazinator wrote: post #841

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Well, yes; some people would agree with the stronger proposition of you not getting that piano, or not without paying some tax on it.

How on earth do you classify estate taxes as stronger than fixed term ownership?

I don't, but, I mean, when someone comes and takes some of your money, then it means you had a fixed term on owning that amount, which just came to an end.

"Stuff taken away" is "stuff taken away", no matter what angle we take.