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Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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I was fascinated by electricity, chemistry, firecrackers, rockets and hotrods as a boy. It is a miracle I survived. My dad told me that God looks out for little boys, as otherwise they would not make it to adulthood.

Thats a great line "My dad told me that God looks out for little boys" - I wish it were true but it sounds good.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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The Com is just a general term for crime communities on the Internet. Its not a specific group. The Com includes groups that commit crimes stretching from cybercrime to literally the worst crimes you can think of and the vast majority of this is done on Discord and Telegram. You can go down a really dark rabbit hole if you really dig deep into some of these groups within The Com. This is where the worst of the worst…

To what degree is this common knowledge? After 20 years of being highly online I'm surprised to be so blindsided. Not that I work in security or anything.

I feel like back in 2016 when a reporter asked Donald Trump if he would disavow the Proud Boys and most peoples response was “the what boys?” If you aren’t immersed in the culture you don’t know who the movers and shakers are.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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The more advanced AI gets and the more power that is at stake, the more these tech CEOs are going to drop their nice-guy acts and reveal their true intentions. The drama is going to get much worse over the coming years.

AI's great, but so often when I hear people in power speak about it I feel like what they're really saying is: "I wish I could have the expertise to do whatever I wanted with impunity without having the hassle of all of these people who know what they're doing sitting around telling me why my ideas are terrible." And if they feel they can drop the artifice of having to pretend to play fair and be good citizen (because oftentimes you have to do that in order to get people who know what they're doing to help you), they will.

And that attitude's going to cause a lot of horrible things to happen.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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This only works even remotely if the politicians agree to work together on some level. Modern US politics went all in on Newt Gingrich’s blockade method to ensure the big bad democrats can’t look like they ever do anything. And here we are with only slightly less broken healthcare with the ACA, a plan originally from GOP, which is constantly hounded on for being terrible. All while drug and medical prices fleece ever…

> A populist comes in and smashes the norms. And who favors the rich. You have to give Republicans credit, they are skilled at getting the poor to comprehensively screw themselves.

I've come to the conclusion that some people must see success as holding someone else down as opposed to raising yourself up. The poor people you're talking about don't see it as screwing themselves as long as they can recognize that some other group is more screwed.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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I spent all day responding to the replies here, and then detaching them in order to save space at the top of the thread. But I just had a better idea. This is a stub comment so we have a single root to collapse the replies. This way (1) replies can stay close to their parent (the top comment) without flooding the screen with offtopicness; and (2) we can all re-experience the timeless truth of https://en.wikipedia.org…

@dang Considering how many are ready to label one of the “other side” as evil, I think it’s very irresponsible of you to allow articles about US politics in the front page, specially an article like this that it’s really an smearing attempt

I see you're "ready to label one of the “other side” as evil" but the article seems well researched and referenced while your comment makes vague claims.

I see a lot of really specific and well thought out raising of issues in this thread, as it applies to technology, commerce and security, all very much on topic for HN.

Criticism of the current administration is an important part of democracy, we need to hold the government accountable, no matter who runs it.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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This only works even remotely if the politicians agree to work together on some level. Modern US politics went all in on Newt Gingrich’s blockade method to ensure the big bad democrats can’t look like they ever do anything. And here we are with only slightly less broken healthcare with the ACA, a plan originally from GOP, which is constantly hounded on for being terrible. All while drug and medical prices fleece ever…

> A populist comes in and smashes the norms. And who favors the rich. You have to give Republicans credit, they are skilled at getting the poor to comprehensively screw themselves.

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Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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It has been a fairly common story, and part rumor, that intelligence agencies like to recruit young people active in the cyber criminal scene, and that the IT security industry also adapted this approach. They basically becomes part informer and part subject expert, especially since IT security expertise seems to be a difficult subject matter to teach in universities. When I studied IT security in university, about 1…

Yes, I've seen a number of people with criminal records hired. I don't really want to present my comment as an argument against every point Krebs made. I don't really have an opinion on whether the individual mentioned is a suitable hire. But in infosec a lot of people probably got into it because 'hacking' is cool and glorified by the media. It's rebellious and appeals to a lot of teens I think. I don't think it's a…

> Some of them just made stupid mistakes when they were younger

IMO intent matters, if they access a bank DB as a skill test (and disclose the hack to the bank) that's fine.

If they're taking a hospital offline for giggles they should get a record.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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I think the only relevant issue is that someone with prior associations with The Com may be vulnerable to extortion, but simply having been associated with the group doesn’t mean much by itself. Law enforcement hires people from “the other side” all the time as they have relevant domain knowledge, and navigational skills of such spaces. Saying that the federal government, or its contractors, should never hire such pe…

Isn't the issue that there hasn't been any clearance issued? News reports are the vetting.

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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> It is really the same reasoning with dictatorships, even if the dictator is good, competent and capable his successor most likely won't. Democracy is the best form of government because there are clean, regulated ways to transfer power. Not a scramble for dominance that once settled is meant to last in perpetuity. You're assuming that there will be a successor, in a democratic sense.

I see no reason why it wouldn't, they don't seem to be trying to dismantle the voting system. I am not super familiar with the US system but my impression is that a most of it is handled at the state level, not the federal level.

they don't seem to be trying to dismantle the voting system

They are, via gerrymandering, voter id laws, limiting voter registration, voter intimidation, constantly questioning results, etc.

Here's a high level view: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict...

Re: Teen on Musk's DOGE team graduated from 'The Com'

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I was fascinated by electricity, chemistry, firecrackers, rockets and hotrods as a boy. It is a miracle I survived. My dad told me that God looks out for little boys, as otherwise they would not make it to adulthood.

Lots of them don't make it to adulthood. I know 2 that didn't.

Dad needs to look up survivorship bias.
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