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Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Post by LeroyRaz »

jajko wrote: post #793
Bhilai wrote: post #785

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> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. I struggle with this. It's incredibly challenging to find reliable, unbiased news sources these days, especially with the perceived slant of many major outlets. It's discouraging when even subscriptions to reputable publications like the NYT and WSJ leave you feeling like yo…

Don't have a specific advise, but generally I don't consume nor trust news articles about given country, from given country. So I read about my central European homeland from neighboring news, or BBC/Guardian for example. Its more difficult with US since every fart affects rest of the world, sometimes massively, but some sort of averaging in my mind does it for me. Or at least I think it does, what is truly objective…

I wouldn't trust the guardian. Their misrepsetation of Depp v. Heard was appalling and revealed that they have extreme ideological biases.

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Post by claar »

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You have many misunderstandings that you should probably have right first before continuing CNN leans pretty far left, but not as left as MSNBC NYT leans pretty far left, similarly to CNN Reddit leans very far left, so does Facebook and Instagram Media in general is very left leaning. For example, Youtube, Disney, Netflix are the biggest online video content house, and they all lean heavily left. Even Max leans sligh…

What you're calling "left" is center-right in the rest of the developed world. None of those are left leaning. They are all pro-corporate, pro-capitalist, anti-worker "infinite growth forever" media. Some of the journalists who work for them are left, but the owners are largely conservative and force them to cover Democratic scandals just as much as Republican ones, while Fox News and other conservative media outlets…

"pro-corporate" and "pro-capitalist" have nothing to do with left vs right in the definition those in my circle would use.

If these are the topics that you feel define the "right", it's no wonder society is confused how this administration was elected.

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Post by neom »

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Well early deviantart was pretty small, and I don't think anyone building it was over 25y/o at the time, so we all had lots of free time to work on it. Deviantart was arranged in a way we all had communities we were responsible for, it changed a lot after it reached million+ users scale, but in the beginning at 100k or so users it was very manageable. Your responsibility per Scott Jarkoff who lead that team was "to l…

What advice would you have for someone running a discord community?

1. a community is simply an abstract place people meet around the intersection of a shared interest. It's important to first recognize that. 2. Communities are not people who are all the same, they just commune together for reasons. 3. communities form, they are not built. 4. communities are ultimately selfless, however, good communities know what they are and why they exist, this can be a learning process and can be malleable, but at any given moment in time that should be understood. 5. Good communities enforce strong rules strongly. Community steering and moderation should be as diffuse as possible without losing the next point in fact keeping it central: 6. Good communities look to proactively raise up people who energetically build the community for the sake of the community not for the sake of themselves, for themselves should be the second order effect of any raising up within a community, this is subtle and community leaders need to spend time understanding this. I think that is all.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

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I just stick to the niche subreddits (games, interests, whatever). The main subreddits have been especially aggressive echo chambers for a long time now.

I tried that with work. I created an account where I can just follow a few things related to my job. The problem is that reddit will start showing you things you didn't subscribe to. It's a battle to keep them at bay. If you look at my work account feed it's all mycology, bad tattoos, what-is-this-thing. I never subscribed to any of them. Yea, they are interesting but that's not what I wanted or need at work.

Old Reddit still doesn't have any suggested posts. Also, the Reddit API works just fine within limit. It's unusable for scraping but as a single user it works fine.

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Post by deathanatos »

lodovic wrote: post #569
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> Subreddits like r/pics are packed full of thinly veiled death threats towards the sitting president or Elon Musk. This is just blatant misinformation. Since r/pics is the only example you've chosen to give us, let's evaluate it: I've scrolled through the current first 50 posts in Hot, and 0 of them are death threats, thinly veiled or otherwise. "Packed full", indeed. And here, so it isn't simply my word vs. his; th…

You're missing the point. The real issue is that r/pics, a subreddit that should be about photography enthusiasm, has become so hyperfocused on politics, that it only features posts that are critical of Musk and Trump. As is evident from the list of active topics you posted.

> You're missing the point. The real issue is that r/pics, a subreddit that should be about photography enthusiasm, has become so hyperfocused on politics,

No, I'm not. I'm making a statement about a particular claim: that Reddit is overwhelmed with leftist death threats.

I said nothing about r/pics being apolitical, and I'm not taking a stance in this comment chain about whether I think r/pics should or should not be apolitical. That's a different claim, and you're moving the goalposts.

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Post by foldr »

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It’s not a Reddit thing. I also remember the days when everyone online was a libertarian. But Conservatives then turned to nationalist ideologies that don’t emphasize the free market, that are anti-immigration, and that take a dim view of personal sexual freedom. There are fewer people expressing libertarian points of view all over the shop. There’s a good article about it here: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/202…

I used to be a libertarian too, when I was 17 years old and I thought I was the smartest person in the room. Then I realized that my kindergarten teacher was onto something when she told us we should be nice and share our toys, and I grew up.

Libertarianism was never my thing, but I get the impression that it's not as popular with people in their teens and twenties now as it was in the 2000s.

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Post by deathanatos »

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #601
lodovic wrote: post #569

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You're missing the point. The real issue is that r/pics, a subreddit that should be about photography enthusiasm, has become so hyperfocused on politics, that it only features posts that are critical of Musk and Trump. As is evident from the list of active topics you posted.

Is r/pics explicitly apolitical? Does it tend to feature current events and is that lineup just proportional to the magnitude of what's happening right now?

> Is r/pics explicitly apolitical?

No, as evidenced by the "Politics" flair. (But also no, the rules of the sub do not forbid political images.)

> Does it tend to feature current events and is that lineup just proportional to the magnitude of what's happening right now?

Yep.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

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I agree that Trump's move was very bad, but we know that Biden didn't need a new law to "fix" the situation at the border. After Trump blocked that law, Biden made the executive order that for years he claimed he couldn't make, and then the situation at the border got "better". If Biden had instead made that executive order in, say, Fall 2022, there's a good chance that the situation at the border would not have been…

The border situation is a red herring. I'd say that the transgender issue is too. The main reason Trump won in 24 because he captured the Great Lakes area. Outside of major cities, there are not large Hispanic communities in the Upper Midwest. Migration has far less of an impact there than, say, inflation. And that's what Trump campaigned on. Now, did he cause that inflation? Partly. Does the US government have to pr…

Trump won by a slight majority. Given how close the race was, I don't think it was any one issue. Inflation was the problem. So was anti-DEI sentiment. So was bending over for donors and journalists who didn't reflect majority sentiment. Any one of those things would have probably helped Harris close the gap.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

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>> But things like the USA's current constitutional crisis are real. While I have no doubt this is true, is it _actually_ having any impact on your day to day life? If you didn't have social media, didn't read the news, and somehow didn't even know there was an election (I know this one isn't possible) would your day to day life have changed at all? Look at the past week as an example. Threats of tariffs, headline ne…

I see the argument made in the context of government snooping. What if I said that the government made it illegal to use any form of encryption that it did not have a backdoor to. In other words, they have the right to read every single message you ever send or receive. There are people who tell me "don't be concerned, if you've got nothing to hide this won't have any impact on your day to day life". I don't think th…

That's just because the community on HN selects for the type of person who constantly talks about things where they don't have authorial control, any idea on how to change, nor a holistic strategic population understanding of the issue. I've always thought that's one of the weakest parts of the community here and something the community here has become much worse about over time selecting for noise over substance, though so has the rest of the web.

Many of us live in democracies but the kind of coverage you get on these sites doesn't help any individual voter or participant take any action. At that point, what use is this coverage? I bring this up because I'm involved in local politics and find the rhetoric on places like this would not survive a single community meeting or outreach event.

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Post by Karrot_Kream »

Bhilai wrote: post #785
majgr wrote: post #570

Living in Poland ruled by trumpists for 8 years I have these experiences: - Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. - It is better to not use social media. You never know if you are discussing with normal person, a political party troll, or Russian troll. - It is not worth discussing with „switched-on” people. They…

> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. I struggle with this. It's incredibly challenging to find reliable, unbiased news sources these days, especially with the perceived slant of many major outlets. It's discouraging when even subscriptions to reputable publications like the NYT and WSJ leave you feeling like yo…

Frankly I find the NYT fine. Does it have its deficiencies? Sure. But journalists are but human and subject to their biases. Much better to listen to an NYT journalist than some hysterical X poster. WSJ and NYT have recently had social media outrage aimed against them and I think that's the point: the very folks who are most emotional about the media are angry that NYT isn't as emotional as they are.
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