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Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

> how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. Side note - the "internet" is very likely a mix of bots and real humans nowadays. What might seem initially like a real person saying "hunt the snitch down" could very likely be a bot that is meant to sow and influence discord. That bot's followers could very likely be real people who then say "ya i agree with this account! get your pitchfork!"

Bots don't independently invent opinions separate from the people running them. Not even with LLMs. "Bots" are just sock puppets - people creating multiple identities for themselves so they can ballot-stuff the Court of Public Opinion.

So it's not so much that there are no real people who want to hunt down the snitch, but that there's a very loud minority of performative extremists with an army of sock puppet accounts who want to hunt down the snitch.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

#882
post #491

A couple of theories: - person clearly had meticulously planned the execution of the hit and exfiltration. Even leaving red herrings on his way out of the city (backpack full of Monopoly money). Yet clumsily keeps _all_ of the evidence that would implicate himself in this murder. Not to mention he is wandering about in public while a multi-state manhunt is underway with the full weight of alphabet soup agencies, and…

> Or the internet, media really over-estimated this persons competence. definitely this one. there was a lot of projection of competency onto him, wanting him to be some kind of superhero assassin that would disappear. when in reality, he wasn't using that welrod pistol clone, and his gun was jamming with every shot. but also he was self-destructive and definitely wasn't trying hard enough to not get caught. and that…

He knew it was going to jam because he didn't have a proper device on his suppressor. He's not surprised that he has to rack the slide after every shot, he knows that it most likely will not cycle and he'll have to work it manually and he reaches immediately to do it.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

#883

Usually I don't tend to get caught up in stories like this. But one thing has me completely fascinated, is how far off the deep end the internet went over the last few days. A murderer became a cult hero online. I saw many posts even suggesting "the snitch" should be hunted down and get what's coming to him/her. I try not to overreact to stuff online, but this took me a bit by surprise. Things really feel like a melt…

It's not surprising. Most people don't comment. The tiny minority that comment likely have extreme views. Sorting algorithms that drive engagement makes this worse.

https://old.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/9rvroo/most...

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

#884

Boy, they are gonna have a hard time, picking a jury for this kid.

No, most normal people are not psychos who can rationalize murder

You mean like the health insurers that deliberately denied coverage for AIDS patients and cancer patients, knowing that would hasten/cause their deaths?

Those types of people?

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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post #857

Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

I'm gonna play devil's advocate here. How much do you think people should pay for some random person to be afforded one more hour of life free of pain? $1000? $1000000? $100000000? More?

We don't need to know this exact number to know that American patients are getting uniquely fucked by their healthcare system compared to every other developed nation. Once we're on-par with what other countries achieve, then we can have the philosophical debate.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s funny how we treat these things. Kill a bunch of people by putting lead in their drinking water and it’s a shrug. Occasionally you might lose your job over it. In extremely rare and egregious cases you might end up with a minor criminal conviction. Kill one person by putting lead in their heart at high speed and now it’s a serious crime. If the victim is Important then you get a massive manhunt and national news…

>putting lead in their drinking water Flint, Michigan

Yep. Guess how many people went to prison for that one.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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Murder is only justified when it's your business model and behind numbers and profit margins in an Excel sheet are the real people you are sentencing to a lifetime of suffering and/or death.

A quick look at United Health's P/L shows a 6% profit margin. This does not quite support the popular rhetoric of a corporation in search of relentless margin (unless the argument is they are bad at it despite all efforts).

Profits after paying executive salaries, right?

In any case there should not be a profit motive in (health) insurance.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

#888

Blows my mind that no ones suggesting mental illness in their analysis. Especially given that he's cut off contact from his family...

The phrase 'mental illness' has expanded as a category a thousand-fold this millennium. I see no evidence he has any mental illness, other than a particular kind that is fully voluntarily and reversible.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

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post #529

The wealth gap in 2012 US is larger than it was in pre-revolution France. https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/09/us-inco...

There's plenty of countries that are higher: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_in...

Most of those countries aren't exactly paragons of political stability, but they're probably not going to undergo a french revolution any time soon.

Re: What we know about CEO shooting suspect

#890

Maaaan, The NYPD will take credit for oxygen. Right now their talking like they solved it. a "combination of old-school detective work and new age technology" it was an employee at McDonalds. McDonalds solved this crime. Like god intended.

If you're more conspiratorial, nobody called from McDonalds. That was just a cover for whatever creepy spy tech they used.
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