I have digital / print subscription to the NYT. It seems like stories were being published online Monday, and the paper paper arrived. Strike doesn't start until Tuesday?
New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
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Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#882> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…
> This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out.
One thing I have observed over the years, no matter what are the core issues, it is "never a good time" to strike as a union. I see this sentiment repeated over and over again (over decades!) by anti-unionists.
> there's not a clear button the Times can push on behalf of the union to end the strike immediately
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#883Earlier quoted context omitted.
> claims like these always irk me, like did you just compare averages by race/gender? Probably not, the striking union is the one that contains all the data analysts at the NYTimes, so they have some experience with sociology data. > Whoever made this claim, did they control for other factors, like job title/level or productivity? As explained in the article, the data analysts union mad this claim, it's even explicit…
did you actually read the research you cited? because it DOES NOT control for hours worked nor experience, and lumps up narrow specialties with wide specialties together in a single "finance". There is a huge difference in finance as a "bank teller" and finance as a "investment banker at Wall St". This is a problem of large scale population level wage research, it misses very important confounding variables and lumps…
I agree about the diversity of finance as a sector. I know many people that work ”in finance” and that varies from glorified interior decorating for corporate real estate to running macros on spreadsheets to check loans to defining investment portfolios
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#884Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you so much! That is a vastly more informative article. It seems like it's not so much the NYT is opposed to the contract's specifics -- they're opposed to having a contract at all because the union is new. The NYT has been stringing the union along without ever actually signing anything, so now the union has to strike to get the NYT to take them seriously. Key parts: > The Tech Guild won its unionization vote…
>>According to the study, Black tech workers at the newspaper make 26 percent less than white workers >>women, who make up over 40 percent of the Tech Guild, earn 12 percent less on average than men claims like these always irk me, like did you just compare averages by race/gender? Whoever made this claim, did they control for other factors, like job title/level or productivity? its like the famous "gender pay gap" c…
Claims that there is no gender pay gap based on clearly biased sources irks me.
So firstly, you don’t know what the NYT tech guild analysis looked like, so why assume they didn’t control for other factors? It is plausible they could have, given their access to competent statisticians, but we don’t know either way. It seems like you may just want this story to fit your pre-existing narrative.
Secondly, there are so many high-quality studies out there better than an a blog post about a Forbes article about an interview from a conservative think tank that show the very real existence of a gender pay gap that _is not accounted for_ by fewer hours worked, experience, or job type (yes these do contribute but are far from the entire picture). Here’s a couple (read their citations for more):
https://www.dol.gov/sites/dolgov/files/WB/equalpay/WB_issueb... https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w21913/w219...
Lastly, _even if_ womens’ “lifestyle choices” were to explain entirely the pay gap (which they don’t, see above), think about what kind of career choices you’d make if you had to constantly debate about your right to equal pay with your supposed peers.
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#885> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…
> workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason This is such a weird request for technology workers. You want to work with low-performing coworkers?
To be clear, in many countries with stronger labour laws, "just cause" employment is the national standard -- a requirement. As I understand, the US has many laws that protect again discrimination (hiring and firing), but very few laws that protect all workers from arbitrary layoffs. (Companies can hire and fire as they please with very few severance requirements.) In practice, when you want to layoff low performing workers in places with stronger labour laws, you need to offer large enough severance for them to voluntarily resign. Depending on the country, culture, seniority, and industry, this can be anywhere from 3 to 24 months. Yes, there is a huge variance.
One thing that I don't see being discussed here: If you add "just cause" to your employment contract, you are pretty much trading away future pay raises for security. That is fine, but it needs to be said out loud.
Lastly: I never heard the term "just cause" before this HN discussion. It sounds like a US-specific term. I learned more about it on Wiki here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_cause_(employment_law)
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#886I have digital / print subscription to the NYT. It seems like stories were being published online Monday, and the paper paper arrived. Strike doesn't start until Tuesday?
With few exceptions (pre-made obituaries for the famous, for example) print media is always yesterday’s news. The strike started today at 12:01am, as the very first line of the article states, production of today’s news was completed yesterday.
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#887Earlier quoted context omitted.
> claims like these always irk me, like did you just compare averages by race/gender? Probably not, the striking union is the one that contains all the data analysts at the NYTimes, so they have some experience with sociology data. > Whoever made this claim, did they control for other factors, like job title/level or productivity? As explained in the article, the data analysts union mad this claim, it's even explicit…
>a guy who would go on to write that women shouldn't get wage equality because they would have to work more dangerous jobs and thus die more, because apparently saving the lives of man by making those jobs safer is impossible. I think it can be true that we should make those jobs safer and that it makes sense to pay dangerous jobs more. I really am curious what the people that disagree with me think. Do you think tha…
You are arguing against a claim you made up yourself, best of luck getting that conversation somewhere useful.
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#888> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…
> Striking during election week is kind of a crappy move to pull
Hard disagree. They're exerting what little leverage they have. Also there's plenty of places to get reliable election coverage besides NYT so who cares?
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#889> The two sides negotiated until late Sunday. The sticking points in recent days were over whether they could get a “just cause” provision in their contract, which means workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason; pay increases and pay equity; and return-to-office policies. This seems like a LOT of issues that still need to be hammered out. It would be one thing if they were disagreeing abou…
> workers can be terminated only for misconduct or another such reason This is such a weird request for technology workers. You want to work with low-performing coworkers?
> This is such a weird request for technology workers. You want to work with low-performing coworkers?
A ton of tech workers are, in fact, socialists who think job expectations should be 0.
Re: New York Times Tech Guild goes on strike
#890I have digital / print subscription to the NYT. It seems like stories were being published online Monday, and the paper paper arrived. Strike doesn't start until Tuesday?
I doubt the NYT's tech stack requires intervention of engineers or product or design people to get out a physical or digital edition of the paper.