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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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ddingus wrote: post #804
spacedcowboy wrote: post #788

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They send a hash of the binaries/libraries, and generate a cache locally so it's not sent again. That helps stop you from running tampered-with binaries and frameworks. No user-personal data is sent. There is no evidence at all that they are trying to ensure you can only run things from the App Store - I run a whole bunch of non-app-store binaries every single day. To make that claim is baseless and makes me de-rate…

I agree and want to emphasize a few things: 1. Most users are not capable of using general purpose computing technology in a wild, networked environment safely. 2. Too many people who matter to ignore insist, "something must be done." 3. And so something shall be done. 4. Apple is navigating difficult waters. As much as I disapprove of how they have chosen a path for iOS, the fact is many people find those choices ar…

>safely

There is that word again. Favorite tool of tyrants.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by KptMarchewa »

q7xvh97o2pDhNrh wrote: post #801
the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

Absolutely incredible to see Apple pushing performance like this. I can't wait to buy one and finally be able to open more than 20 Chrome tabs.

For a year, maybe. Web apps will use the opportunity and get slower enough so that you'll get old experience on new hardware soon.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by KptMarchewa »

tomcam wrote: post #605
the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

I don't know much about modern Geekbench scores, but it that chart seems to show that M1s are still pretty good? It appears that M4 is only about 50% faster. Somehow I would expect more like 100% improvement. Flameproof suit donned. Please correct me because I'm pretty ignorant about modern hardware. My main interest is playing lots of tracks live in Logic Pro.

Those kinds of improvements are way of the past. Modern hardware is just too good.

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dmz73 wrote: post #562
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

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halfmatthalfcat wrote: post #575
AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #371

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Yep. I've never kept any laptop as long as I've kept the M1. I was more or less upgrading yearly in the past because the speed increases (both in the G4 and then Intel generations) were so significant. This M1 has exceeded my expectations in every category, it's faster quieter and cooler than any laptop i've ever owned. I've had this laptop since release in 2020 and I have nearly 0 complaints with it. I wouldn't upgr…

My 2019 i9 going strong as ever. With 64gb ram, really don’t need to upgrade for at least a couple more years.

That was the worst laptop I've ever had. Not only was it turning the jet engines on when you tried to do something more demanding that moving mouse around, it throttled thermally so much that you literally could not move that mouse around.

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Post by amelius »

theshrike79 wrote: post #861
amelius wrote: post #579

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> Private Cloud Compute That's such a security theater. As long as nobody can look inside their ICs, nobody knows what's really happening there.

Oh? https://www.theregister.com/2024/10/25/apple_private_cloud_c... > "Today we’re making these resources publicly available to invite all security and privacy researchers – or anyone with interest and a technical curiosity – to learn more about PCC and perform their own independent verification of our claims." https://security.apple.com/documentation/private-cloud-compu... There are also a million dollars of bountie…

They mean that security researchers can look at the code, not the hardware at the transistor level.

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Post by KptMarchewa »

shade wrote: post #207
jcmontx wrote: post #20

> "up to 1.8x faster when compared to the 16-inch MacBook Pro with M1 Pro" I insist my 2020 Macbook M1 was the best purchase I ever made

I have the OG 13" MBP M1, and it's been great; I only have two real reasons I'm considering jumping to the 14" MBP M4 Pro finally: - More RAM, primarily for local LLM usage through Ollama (a bit more overhead for bigger models would be nice) - A bit niche, but I often run multiple external displays. DisplayLink works fine for this, but I also use live captions heavily and Apple's live captions don't work when any for…

I don't think it's niche. It's the reason why I and multiple of my coworkers waited till M1 Pro with buying one.

I'm definitely still happy with it, but job offers upgrade to M4 so... why not?

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hilux wrote: post #573
dmz73 wrote: post #562

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Mac OS calls home every time you execute an application. Apple is well on its way to ensure you can only run things they allow via app store, they would probably already be there if it wasn't for the pesky EU. If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. Those things very much highlight that "your" Apple hardware is not yours and that privacy on Apple hardware does…

> If you send your computer/phone to Apple for repair you may get back different physical hardware. I happen to be in the midst of a repair with Apple right now. And for me, the idea that they might replace my aging phone with a newer unit, is a big plus. As I think it would be for almost everyone. Aside from the occasional sticker, I don't have any custom hardware mods to my phone or laptop, and nor do 99.99% of peo…

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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by nsonha »

superb_dev wrote: post #551
paulryanrogers wrote: post #540

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> to purchase a machine that feels like it really belongs to me How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? MacOS also tightens the screws on what you can run and from where, or at least require more hoop jumping over time.

Apple also left a very convenient hole in their boot loader to allow running another OS. Linux works pretty well these days

Really? I got a bunch of error upgrading my Arch-based Asahi and now chromium doesn't work anymore. Oh and no external display, or speaker.
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