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Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by tehjoker »

jl6 wrote: post #873
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #741

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> and from the public in general Don't think the public will be that concerned about people in Google's salary bracket losing their jobs.

It’s a disservice to the public to assume they aren’t capable of understanding why AI job losses might be concerning even if they aren’t directly impacted. Most people aren’t so committed to class warfare that they will root for the apocalypse as long as it stomps a rich guy first.

Software engineers and grocery store workers are in different income brackets, but in the same class (labor/prolaterian). It is managers, executives, and investors that are in the capitalist class. Class is determined by your relationship to production.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by jszymborski »

asdfman123 wrote: post #398

I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…

Sounds like the JetBrains new local AI autocomplete. If it's anything like that, it's honestly my ideal application of generative deep learning.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by danielmarkbruce »

latexr wrote: post #691
danielmarkbruce wrote: post #436

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LLMs are a lot better at a lot of things than a lot of humans. We got to the moon using a large number of systems to a) avoid errors where possible and b) build in redundancies. Even an LLM knows this and knew what the statement meant: https://chatgpt.com/share/6722e04f-0230-8002-8345-5d2eba2e7d... Putting "corrected" in quotes and saying "death spiral" implies error compounding. https://chatgpt.com/share/6722e19c-7f…

Ah, well then, if the LLM said so then it’s surely right. Because as we all know, LLMs are never ever wrong and they can read minds over the internet. If it says something about a human, then surely you can trust it. You’ve just proven my point. My issue with LLMs is precisely people turning off their brains and blindly taking them at face value, even arduously defending the answers in the face of contrary evidence.…

You didn't read the responses from an LLM. You've turned your brain off. You probably think self-driving cars are also a nonsense idea. Can't work. Too complex. Humans are geniuses without equal. AI is all snake oil. None of it works.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by wcoenen »

NotAnOtter wrote: post #653
asdfman123 wrote: post #398

I work for Google, and I just got done with my work day. I was just writing I guess what you'd call "AI generated code." But the code completion engine is basically just good at finishing the lines I'm writing. If I'm writing "function getAc..." it's smart enough to complete to "function getActionHandler()", and maybe suggest the correct arguments and a decent jsdoc comment. So basically, it's a helpful productivity…

I also work at google (until last Friday). Agree with what you said. My thoughts are 1. This quote is clearly meant to exaggerate reality, and they are likely including things like fully automated CL/PR's which have been around for a decade as "AI generated". 2. I stated before that if a team of 10 is equally as productive as a team of 8 utilizing things like copilot, it's fair to say "AI replaced 2 engineers", in my…

> including things like fully automated CL/PR's which have been around for a decade

I haven't seen this yet so I'm intrigued. Is this a commercial product, or internal tooling?

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by twoWhlsGud »

Aachen wrote: post #861
munksbeer wrote: post #825

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> worries me the most It isn't something I worry about at all. If it doesn't work and starts creating bugs and horrible code, the best places will adjust to that and it won't be used or will be used more judiciously. I'll still review code like I always do and prevent bad code from making it into our repo. I don't see why it's my problem to worry about. Why is it yours?

Because I do security audits Functional bugs in edge cases are annoying enough, and I seem to run into these regularly as a user, but there's yet another class of people creating edge cases for their own purposes. The nonchalant "if it doesn't work"... I don't know whether that confirms my suspicion that not all developers are aware of (as a first step; let alone control for) the risks

And especially if it generates bugs in ways different from humans - human review might be less effective at catching it...

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Post by wahnfrieden »

layer8 wrote: post #561
wahnfrieden wrote: post #501

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that is solved via larger contexts

It’s not, unless contexts get as large as comparable training materials. And you’d have to compile adequate materials. Clearly, just adding some documentation about $tool will not have the same effect as adding all the gigabytes of internet discussion and open source code regarding $tool that the model would otherwise have been trained on. This is similar to handing someone documentation and immediately asking questi…

- context of millions of tokens is frontier

- context over training is like someone referencing docs vs vaguely recalling from decayed memory

- context caching

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Post by ulfw »

rty32 wrote: post #787
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #705

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> no one is stating "we've replaced X% of our workforce with AI" Even if that's been happening, I don't think it would be politically savvy to admit it. In today's social climate claiming to replace humans with AI would attract the wrong kind of attention from politicians (during an election year) and from the public in general. This would be even more unwise to admit for a company like Google who's an "AI producer".…

> I don't think it would be politically savvy to admit it. Depends on who you ask. If Trump wins and Elon Musk actually gets a new job, they would be bragging about replacing humans with AI all day long. And corporates are going to love it. Not sure about what voters think though. But the fact that most of these companies are in California, New York etc means that it barely matters.

Corporates will soon have to realise the hard reality that when masses of humans have been replaced there won't be masses of humans with salaries to buy said corporate's goods anymore.

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Post by wbl »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #741
ahmedfromtunis wrote: post #705

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no one is stating "we've replaced X% of our workforce with AI" Even if that's been happening, I don't think it would be politically savvy to admit it. In today's social climate claiming to replace humans with AI would attract the wrong kind of attention from politicians (during an election year) and from the public in general. This would be even more unwise to admit for a company like Google who's an "AI producer".…

> and from the public in general Don't think the public will be that concerned about people in Google's salary bracket losing their jobs.

The bank tellers didn't go away: they just became higher paid and higher skilled when cash management was no longer the job.

Re: Google CEO says more than a quarter of the company's new code is created by AI

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Post by arisAlexis »

robertlagrant wrote: post #697
arisAlexis wrote: post #644

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Even last year's gpt4 could make a whole iphone app from scratch for someone that doesn't know how to code. You can find videos online. I think you are applying the ostrich method which is understandable. We need to adapt.

> I think you are applying the ostrich method which is understandable Asking for evidence is not being an ostrich.

The ostrich method is avoiding existing evidencea available online and searchable for full stack llm programming
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