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Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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According to the LA Times these devices are “not usually used by fighters, but by ambulance and civil defense crews and administrators affiliated with Hezbollah. The devices are unrestricted and can be sold to anyone, and as such are used by other organizations in areas of poor signal.” [1] There is no question if an enemy set off hundreds of bombs in American ambulances we would recognize it as a mass terrorist atta…

Hold up, that skips over the crucial issue of triggering-logic . It's reasonable to guess that these devices were made to only explode after a very unique code is is received, and/or only when traffic came over a radio channel known to be used by Hezbollah. In contrast, an uninvolved civilian medical doctor buying a booby-trapped pager secondhand shouldn't be at significant risk, since before carrying the pager aroun…

> uninvolved civilian medical doctor buying a booby-trapped pager secondhand shouldn't be at significant risk

Pretty sure any doctor (or anyone else) owning one of those pager wouldn’t want to keep it, even if configured safely. Would you carry an hand grenade in your backpack all day long, as safe as it it because the pin is still in?

> why so many ambulance staff were holding down a second secret job as spies and soldiers

Hezbollah is a legal and popular party in Lebanon and is at war with another country, of course the medic staff is involved what’s else would you expect ? However "all parties must refrain from attacking and misusing medical facilities, transport, and personnel", what happens here is a crime for the Geneva convention.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_neutrality

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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post #806

Earlier quoted context omitted.

According to the LA Times these devices are “not usually used by fighters, but by ambulance and civil defense crews and administrators affiliated with Hezbollah. The devices are unrestricted and can be sold to anyone, and as such are used by other organizations in areas of poor signal.” [1] There is no question if an enemy set off hundreds of bombs in American ambulances we would recognize it as a mass terrorist atta…

Hold up, that skips over the crucial issue of triggering-logic . It's reasonable to guess that these devices were made to only explode after a very unique code is is received, and/or only when traffic came over a radio channel known to be used by Hezbollah. In contrast, an uninvolved civilian medical doctor buying a booby-trapped pager secondhand shouldn't be at significant risk, since before carrying the pager aroun…

> In contrast, an uninvolved civilian medical doctor buying a booby-trapped pager secondhand shouldn't be at significant risk,

The end result is still that innocents are walking around with a bomb planted in their pocket.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Yeah, I'm sure that Israel is just so good that every single device didn't end up being owned by any one else. I mean Israel is really really good at avoiding collateral damage (according to Israel), so everyone who's on the receiving end of this was Hezbollah (according to Mossad). I mean, they do have the most humanitarian army in the world after all (according to the IDF casualty reports)

Well, if I have to choose whether I believe IDF or Hamas, I obviously choose IDF.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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> Approx half the casualties are civilians Citation needed for that. None of the news reports, even the heavily biased ones, have reported mass civilian casualties.

The citation, as requested: "two children and four health workers in a hospital in southern Beirut were among the 12 people who were killed on Tuesday." - Public Health Minister Firas Abiad in a press conference So that's 50% of those killed, right? and that's just health workers and children (who were 8 and 11 years old, btw). Also, there were multiple footage of the devices exploding among civilians in dense market…

> So that's 50% of those killed, right?

Wrong. You claimed:

>>> Approx half the casualties are civilians

Casualties doesn't mean "those who died", it means "Injured or killed".

If you have to use a definition for a word that differs from the dictionary for your argument to work, it's your argument that is broken, not the dictionary.

Your entire argument in this thread is based on not knowing what "casualty" means.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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You started a hellish flamewar with this, even by the standards of this pretty hellish thread. Please don't do that again. Religious flamewar in particular will get you banned here, regardless of which religion you have a problem with.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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> As middle eastern societies proof unable to create complex institutions and states Pretty sure history proves that to be vastly incorrect. And the modern state of Middle Eastern countries is inseparable from the actions outside (both western and not) powers have undertaken there.

It was like that before the west came in. The marines were formed because it was like that.

Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Let me guess, the ones you term to be "Islamists" are those who fight America or Israel. Most of the Afghan fighters who took shots at American soldiers weren't motivated by some sort of boogieman religious extremism. They were simply shooting at armed foreigners who invaded their country. They weren't terrorists by any reasonable definition of the but were called so anyway because they happened to be Muslim and dare…

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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I'm genuinely curious: how is this not considered terrorism on Israel's part? (or is it considered terrorism?) From a tactical standpoint, this is very similar, and the only big difference I see is that this is technologically more advanced/more complex than just planting a bomb or something. If it's not terrorism, what is the differentiating factor(s)? *side note: I'm quite sure other western countries have used tac…

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Religious and/or nationalistic flamewar will get you banned here. No more of this (or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41583887) please.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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Terrorism is just a label to describe attacks by people that powerful governments don't like. If you have enough military power, you're a legitimate government conducting a war (even if you're lobbing hundreds of missiles and drones into civilian targets like Russia is). If not, you're a terrorist org or government.

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You've been breaking the site guidelines badly in this thread. Religious flamewar, in particular, is not welcome on HN. We ban accounts that post like this (or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41585013), so please don't do that again.

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Re: Hezbollah hand-held radios detonate across Lebanon, sources say

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they should grow up and get rid of Iran‘s proxy waging war against civilian population from their territory and obviously also terrorizing the local population – they also built tunnels and invested hundreds of millions into terrorism infrastructure instead of investing into poor economy of Lebanon and make real jobs etc. etc.

Exactly.
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