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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by shmeeed »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #777
microtherion wrote: post #649

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Kim Dotcom is simply a career criminal, settling on piracy after having previously been convicted of trafficking in stolen phone calling cards and embezzlement. He simply figured out a crime that is socially more accepted than what he engaged in previously, but it was always about the money for him.

Know any decent computer nerds in the 80s/90s that weren’t at least dabbling in that stuff? Hell there was a whole monthly meeting and magazine dedicated to that sort of behavior. Criminal? Yes. Part of hacker culture? Also yes. Too bad Mr Goldstein lost all credibility (that he may or may not have had) when he started shaming folks for not taking the clot shot.

Dabbling, sure. But Kim was never a dabbler. He chose to go for ALL the money and the money only, everytime.

Many people seem to forget or not know that all along his career he went ripping off fellow nerds and hackers left and right for his personal gain. He spied on them on his BBS, stole their secrets, defrauded them, ridiculed them, even tipped them off to law enforcement when it was beneficial to him. He proudly admitted to doing all of this in german interviews.

Kim and his endeavours are undoubtedly part of hacking history, but he himself was never part of the culture. He couldn't give a rat's ass about the culture if it weren't to build his legend and bedazzle his followers. All he really ever wanted was cold hard cash, Rolexes and cars.

Now come again about Goldstein?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by toolz »

andyroid wrote: post #809
toolz wrote: post #675

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I find this mentality is always directed at rich people, but never applied consistently in anyone's life, so I have a hard time taking this opinion seriously. Hopefully, you can convince me otherwise, but I've never heard anyone suggest the best sports teams should stop competing when they've won enough, or that the best inventors should stop, or the best artists, and so on. Money isn't zero sum. We're constantly cre…

> never heard anyone suggest the best sports teams should stop competing when they've won enough, or that the best inventors should stop, or the best artists While they want you to believe that, there’s no correlation between being rich and being best, or even good, at anything. You’re not the best athlete because your mom and dad were the best athletes. But if your parents were wealthy, you’re wealthy. If they want…

If you have issue with the taxes they pay then you have issue with the tax code, but that still doesn't address any problems or apply any consistent values. How does moving money from one rich person to the richest organization in the world achieve any goal?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by DSingularity »

hnpolicestate wrote: post #528
DSingularity wrote: post #62

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Ah yes, the classic. Everybody who opposes american foreign policy is labeled. Tweet about opposing the genocide in gaza? Oh dont listen to him -- he is pro khamas. Tweet about opposing war in ukraine arguing that NATO is outdated and not in the interest of Ukrainians? Oh pay no attention to him -- he is on the communist payroll. I understand when leaders in politics or industry make these character-assasination atta…

- "What motivates you?" Intelligence operative or peasant. Pick one.

Neither. Tribalism is probably best fit. The question is meant to trigger reflection.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by hnlmorg »

TomWhitwell wrote: post #851
x-yl wrote: post #843

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I take it it's in reference to the convictions of those inciting violence on social media following the recent far-right riots in England. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/aug/09/two... I suppose in a way advocating for arson and hate crimes is an "illegal meme"..

This is what an illegal meme looks like: "Tyler Kay, 26, wrote a post... calling for hotels housing asylum seekers to be set alight. He responded to several comments posted by others following his post, adding that it was “100% the plan”. Kay also reposted... another message inciting action against a named immigration solicitors in Northampton" https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/man-jailed-just-two-days-aft...

I think we are stretching the definition of a meme here. This was original content orchestrating attacks. Not some repost of a joke (however bad taste it might be).

At which point is the boundary between meme and instigator?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by toolz »

scotty79 wrote: post #866
toolz wrote: post #675

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I find this mentality is always directed at rich people, but never applied consistently in anyone's life, so I have a hard time taking this opinion seriously. Hopefully, you can convince me otherwise, but I've never heard anyone suggest the best sports teams should stop competing when they've won enough, or that the best inventors should stop, or the best artists, and so on. Money isn't zero sum. We're constantly cre…

Money is just a way of keeping track of to what fraction of future output of other people you are entitled to (as agreed upon by human race). Why shouldn't this quantity be softly capped at some value to prevent natural runaway towards 100%? What's wrong about capping it on the other side slightly above zero for the purposes of personal survival and preventing organic deterioration? > Or maybe you're suggesting the r…

> Money is just a way of keeping track of to what fraction of future output of other people you are entitled to (as agreed upon by human race).

I don't agree with this definition of money. The vast majority of money doesn't represent human output/labor and none of it is created by human labor. Probably the simplest to understand example of that is crypto. It represents trillions of USD in wealth and has almost no human labor input or output. That's a simple example, but certainly not the only example.

> Is that true? Despite trillions of debt?

Yes it's true. It's not even close. The US federal government spends in a single year more than the largest companies in this world would cost to buy flat out. They could save up for roughly 6 months and buy out the most expensive company in the world (apple). A company that has been growing their wealth for 50 years. This is why I struggle to find a consistent value system that claims we are solving problems by taking money from big earners and giving it to entities that already control many orders of magnitude more money. Moving money from the grossly rich to the insanely unthinkably rich doesn't make much sense to me.

> Completely unrelated but since you asked, I have nothing against capping athletes at the top level of success.

What problem does this solve? I don't have anything much against it either, but I can't find any reason to do this.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by user-the-name »

fsflover wrote: post #855
mike_d wrote: post #734

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How is the government wrong? He is being charged with money laundering and wire fraud, both things that require pretty substantial paper trails to prove in court. I think enough time has passed that I can say this openly: I worked for an ad network that was used by MegaUpload. Most of the traffic from his site was fraudulent bot traffic. Mysterious advertisers would repeatedly rebuy ad placements that were clearly no…

How does this support extradition to an unrelated country?

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by desas »

allarm wrote: post #873
sam345 wrote: post #798

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Mp3s were yesterday literally long time ago. Parody is always legal. And Mickey mouse by the way is way past copyright. Don't you know at least the original.

> Mp3s were yesterday literally long time ago And what do you think people use now to store their music offline?

I'm sure there's still a large number of people downloading mp3s and other files to permanently store.

But really, how often are people offline? For me it's only when I'm on a flight, and I can prepare for that by using spotify or youtube and pressing the download button on a playlist.

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Post by 0dayz »

thesz wrote: post #602
umvi wrote: post #578

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USA can't tax non-citizens. Revoke citizenship if you really don't want to pay. That comes with a lot of downsides though (no more US passport, no getting rescued by the US if you wander into North Korea, etc), which implies the taxes aren't for nothing just because you live out-of-country.

Ask Tinkov [1] about revoking citizenship. [1] https://www.expatriationattorneys.com/tinkov-conceal-foreign...

Maybe first ask him why he did tax fraud and not revoke his citizenship?

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by diegolas »

Kostchei wrote: post #833
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #723

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>>> Youtube became popular over similar sites (like Vimeo) by hosting pirated tv episodes. +10x Twitch. I still remember JustinTV .. >>>> Worse, while MegaUpload followed the letter of the law by doing removals of content that was reported as pirated Could you please elaborate ? The implication is that other similar sites were not removing child pornography or similar ?

They (mega) may have started to do this, but for several years I used to come across saved text files with lists of of mega links on most pedophiles computers. A different unit in the police sometimes checked the links and anecdotally they still (months after seizure) were valid and contained Child Exploitation Material (CEM). Often the same material stored on the device that I was wading thru. (insert cannot unsee m…

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