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Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by stingraycharles »

karmasimida wrote: post #863
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

Have you been to Twitter's SF site? It is a weird place, between super sketchy and plainly empty, what is missing is the peace of mind, definitely a valid reason to leave. It has all the downsides from being in the downtown, while none of the perks remain in today's SF. Talent pool isn't a real issue for Twitter now, under Elon, I don't think they truly prioritize Twitter over any of his other companies, the mission…

I think it’s inaccurate to say that they don’t need talent to keep the lights on at Twitter. Maybe not a lot of new architectural development is happening, but you definitely need a lot of ops people that know what they’re doing to keep the lights on there.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by flanked-evergl »

seizethecheese wrote: post #399
janalsncm wrote: post #371

Had a recruiter call with Twitter a few months ago. Mandatory in office 5 days per week. Among other things, an hour commute both ways to work was not acceptable. Maybe they will have better luck in Santa Clara. I don’t buy any of the flamebait reasons for leaving SF. Reason 1 is money and reason 2 is talent pool.

I’ve had several meetings, either in Twitter office or around it, and the street scene is very bad in that part of SF. If the claim is that this is a motivation for the move, it certainly passes the sniff test for me.

Why do the citizens of SF like living in such squalor?

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by nostrademons »

rconti wrote: post #825
throwaway2037 wrote: post #716

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> South Bay & Peninsula housing is actually more expensive than SF Per square foot/meter? I find this hard to believe.

I mean, obviously it depends on what city you choose, but given that the article is specifically about X moving to Palo Alto.... San Francisco is $957/sqft median listing price [1] Palo Alto is $1800/sqft median listing price. [2] Hell, I live in Redwood City and the median is $996/sqft. 1. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-Franci... 2. https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Palo-Alto_.…

San Jose is a bit less, about $700/sf:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/San-Jose_C...

The Santana Row neighborhood ("Winchester Orchards") is pretty comparable, at $910/sf though. I was actually thinking of Mountain View & Sunnyvale, which are considered decent places to live in the South Bay but aren't quite as elite as Palo Alto. They are both about $1.2K/sf:

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Mountain-V...

https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-search/Sunnyvale_...

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by bob_theslob646 »

nox101 wrote: post #384
bob_theslob646 wrote: post #196

I'm puzzled by this move. The more and more I read about a business being political the less I want to support it. I have been a long time twitter user for 15 years (some years daily and some years weekly) and I just made a threads account.

I don't know about the move to San Jose specifically but 9th-10th and Market in SF is arguably not a nice place currently. This is 2 blocks away https://www.ktvu.com/news/report-workers-at-sf-federal-build... This is 2 blocks away https://sfstandard.com/2024/07/15/sideshow-crash-market-stre... This is 1 block away https://sfstandard.com/2023/04/10/downtown-san-francisco-who... I hope SF can fix itself but it's arguab…

But you don't think that will change with the executive order from newson to remove homeless camps?

Does Elon think that the talent he has in SF will just magically move?

That's why I'm puzzled

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Post by jorvi »

throwaway19423 wrote: post #867
jorvi wrote: post #823

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> what they define as misbehaving is normal for kids. Right, sprinting back-and forth, ear-piercing screams at the top of their lungs, kicking chairs - all things we should just accept at a restaurant, for the sake of the parents. What terrible people we are for wanting a decent dining experience.

You were a helpless, innocent kid once too :)

Its just common courtesy.

Same as minimizing the amount of flights you have with a baby.

People with a baby that take multiple flying trips a year are rude, bordering on douchey.

Just because you want an experience doesn't mean you get to ruin it for hundreds of others. Who not to mention paid for it. Height of egocentrism.

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Post by devsda »

elbear wrote: post #880
devTen85 wrote: post #803

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It's a chicken & Egg problem. I run a startup in Pune, and we just don't get good developers here. We are open to remote, and most of the good candidates are in Bangalore.

What's the explanation? Better schools in Bangalore or something else?

Access to better schools is a factor in selecting a locality within the city but I don't think it has been a deciding factor in deciding the city itself.

Many cities including tier-2 cities have a variation of one of those "international" schools that parents seek and there's no significant difference in the quality of education between them.

Apart from the usual cycle of available talent + job opportunities, Bangalore has better weather and location wise it can attract talent from 4 states(these 4 states are major contributors to IT workforce compared to other states) while not being too far from place of origin.

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Post by itsoktocry »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #811
thatfrenchguy wrote: post #610

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I don't know, the residential neighborhoods of SF are the perfect place to raise a family if you make tech money: dense enough that there is a ton of stuff to do and your kid knows other kid nearby, low density enough that you get 1500-2500sqft to yourself.

> if you make tech money It is a great tragedy that the US with all its money and diversity of geography and people has only really managed to produce a single walkable city and a scattered handful of “I don’t always use my car” neighborhoods, which are always the most expensive places to live. So many cities outside the US manage to do this on a fraction of the budget.

>It is a great tragedy that the US with all its money and diversity of geography and people has only really managed to produce a single walkable city

Have you considered, then, that many people do not actually want this?

>So many cities outside the US manage to do this on a fraction of the budget.

Young yuppies with their Silicon Valley salaries get to spend time in European city AirBnbs and wonder "why can't America be like this?"

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Post by perks_12 »

groby_b wrote: post #479
nimbius wrote: post #426

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i concur. I think a lot of this is just sound business acumen. Twit-er...X, isnt raking in cash like it used to. Musks changes like reinstating hate speech accounts and the blue check fiasco had a direct negative effect on advertising revenue and accelerated already downward subscriber trends. Leaning out the physical side of the already agile digital side was a good idea im not sure twitters old guard would have con…

fwiw, hiring senior talent in SF works just fine. If you pay at the right pricing tier. SF is a decent city. It could definitely do better, it has issues, but if we all could stop pretending it's a post apocalyptic hellscape, that'd be nice. Yes, you pay an SF premium. You pay a premium for most major cities, and the worse housing is, the higher the premium. But I'd bet moving to the South Bay isn't happening for tha…

> but if we all could stop pretending it's a post apocalyptic hellscape, that'd be nice.

I’m very much not in the Valley or even the U.S. but I’ve seen a lot of videos and photos of SF streets being littered, about homelessness, drug use, something called bopping. Isn’t this real, or is it far less common than those videos make it out to be? Interested to hear this from people in SF.

Re: Twitter kills its San Francisco headquarters, will relocate to South Bay

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Post by s1artibartfast »

flanked-evergl wrote: post #882
seizethecheese wrote: post #399

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve had several meetings, either in Twitter office or around it, and the street scene is very bad in that part of SF. If the claim is that this is a motivation for the move, it certainly passes the sniff test for me.

Why do the citizens of SF like living in such squalor?

The obvious answer is they don't, and it is a tough problem to fix
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