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Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by nimbleal »

idiliv wrote: post #141

People here seem mostly impressed by the high resolution of these examples. Based on my experience doing research on Stable Diffusion, scaling up the resolution is the conceptually easy part that only requires larger models and more high-resolution training data. The hard part is semantic alignment with the prompt. Attempts to scale Stable Diffusion, like SDXL, have resulted only in marginally better prompt understan…

I agree.

I think one part of the problem is using English (or whatever natural language) for the prompts/training. Too much inherent ambiguity. I’m interested to see what tools (like control nets with SD) are developed to overcome this.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by adabaed »

mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We have been on this path for centuries. Compare the symphonies of 200 years ago with our current music or painting. We humans prefer quantity over quality.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by padolsey »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #875
mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

"The world doesn't work that way". Quite pessimistic a position to hold here, no? We–in technology especially–are in positions of significant leverage. We should be talking about how we can limit the negatives and bolster the positives from these generative models. The world can work in a different way if we put enough energy into it. We don't have to stand by as subjects of inertia. That is why OpenAI and others are treading carefully, trying to trigger some kind of momentum of reflection instead of letting our base demons run amok.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by danielbln »

globular-toast wrote: post #874

This might actually ruin video and films for me. I don't want to be looking out for AI giveaways in everything I watch. I can see a new market for true end-to-end analogue film productions emerging for people who like film.

Eh, it's like watching out for VFX giveaways.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by deergomoo »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #875
mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

None of the examples you’ve given are even remotely the same thing.

> The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had.

This is not “influence and inspiration”, this is companies feeding other people’s work into a commercial product which they sell access to. The product would be useless without other people’s work, therefore they should be compensated.

> Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job.

The camera enabled something that was not possible before, and I wasn’t built by taking the work of sketch artists and painters. It was an entirely new form of art and media.

The only thing this stuff revolutionises is new ways to not pay people. I find the implications deeply depressing.

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by jaystraw »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #875
mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

my name is timothy basket -- you're saying people have stolen my weave?!

end sarcasm. but seriously -- claiming you made something you didn't isn't ok. but it happens, regardless of laws or regulations or norms.

i don't have any solutions; the internet helps because you can publish something and point to it. i'm a musician and sometimes i only realize well after the fact how influenced i was by something after the fact for a song i've written.

and of course, my precious baskets.

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Post by bamboozled »

mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

They manage it by meeting with Sam Altman while he runs around in incredibly expensive suits and tells them he will open an office in their country so they will all benefit.

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Post by mihaic »

LoveMortuus wrote: post #875
mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

We are all standing on the shoulders of giants, whose existence and names we will never know or acknowledge. The way these models are creative is the same way humans are. The artist that painted Mona Lisa didn't credit any of the influences and inspirations that they had. Just as cameras made many artists redundant, so too will every other new tool, and not just artist but pretty much every job. But there are still p…

I don't really want to weave baskets, that's what I'd want a machine to do.

"The world doesn't work that way" - I've seen this so often, but the most incredible thing about humans was the optimism to be able to change how the world worked -- that's the main impetus of most revolutions.

Personifying computer programs also is an error, it's like saying that bombs kill people when there has to be a person dropping them (at least until we get Skynet).

Re: Sora: Creating video from text

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Post by vin047 »

mihaic wrote: post #873

This is both amazing and saddening to me. All our cultural legacy is being fed into a monstrous machine that gives no attribution to the original content with which it was fed, and so the creative industry seems to be in great danger. Creativity being automated while humans are forced to perform menial tasks for minimum wage doesn't seem like a great future and the geriatric political class has absolutely no clue how…

Yeah we all thought machines would automate menial labour allowing us to focus on creativity and passion. Looks like it’s the exact opposite.
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