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Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tptacek wrote: post #880
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #878

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel invaded Egypt in 1956, and by 1967 was, in fact, planning a first strike on Egypt, which it subsequently executed. Of course Egypt had every reason to fear Israeli aggression.

This is the opposite of what happened.

What is "this"?

In 1967, the IDF was spoiling for a fight, and was extremely confident that it would defeat the Arab armies quickly and with low losses. It had planned and trained for a first strike on Egypt, which is what it ended up executing.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by bsaul »

Arctic_fly wrote: post #860
bsaul wrote: post #823

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that would explain the kicking out of the protest. It doesn't explain why no proeminent feminist organization marched for those israeli women that got raped. It's not about them being pro-rape, it's about them hating israelis more than they like women in general (which is a pretty high level of hate if you're a feminist). It's pure hate and i'm not sorry you're failing to see it for what it is. "Trying to find the be…

Perhaps the feminists in question believe that their voices are more likely to lead to a change in the stance of the US and the behavior of Israel than a change in the past behavior of Hamas. What Hamas _did_ was wrong. What Israel is _doing_ is wrong, and it’s probably only going to stop in the face of real external pressure from democracies, which have historically shown an interest in protests. I can’t speak for t…

Hamas bad behavior didn’t stop on oct 7. It isn’t « past » behavior. It’s an ongoing conflict, with hamas having hostages and firing rockets every day. They are however the initiator of this war.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by bsaul »

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #867
bsaul wrote: post #618

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I agree with your point, however in this case i think it's important to pinpoint the hypocrisy of some people. You can't blame israel for oct 7, ask them to stop their ongoing operations in gaza, not call for the release of hostages, not say a word about the women raped by hamas and gaza civilians, AND pretend to "just want to spare the civilians population". Those people are in practice siding for the hamas, even if…

More to the point, Israel can't indiscriminately kill tens of thousands of civilians (including Israeli civilians) and torture civilian hostages while claiming they care about civilian lives, and still remain plausible to the world. Indeed, this hypocrisy is even more important to point out. Do you believe Israeli civilians bear collective guilt for Israel's ongoing war crimes, like you believe Palestinian civilians…

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by lovelyviking »

Aerbil313 wrote: post #757
drawkward wrote: post #687

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Furthermore, a soverign Israel "from the river to the sea" was a founding tenet of Israel's Likud party, of which Netanyahu is a member. It is no longer an explicit goal of Likud.

Furthermore, the Israeli flag itself is the Star of David (representing Israeli land) between two blue lines which are the river and the sea. It has always been Israel’s slogan and aim, “from the river to the sea”.

>Furthermore, the Israeli flag itself is the Star of David (representing Israeli land) between two blue lines which are the river and the sea. It has always been Israel’s slogan and aim, “from the river to the sea”.

This is completely incorrect.

Wikipedia:

“The blue stripes are intended to symbolize the stripes on a tallit, the traditional Jewish prayer shawl. The Star of David is a widely acknowledged symbol of the Jewish people and of Judaism. In Judaism, the color blue symbolises God's glory, purity and gevurah (God's severity).[19][20] The White field represents Chesed (Divine Benevolence).[18]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Israel#:~:text=It%20sy....

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

bsaul wrote: post #883
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More to the point, Israel can't indiscriminately kill tens of thousands of civilians (including Israeli civilians) and torture civilian hostages while claiming they care about civilian lives, and still remain plausible to the world. Indeed, this hypocrisy is even more important to point out. Do you believe Israeli civilians bear collective guilt for Israel's ongoing war crimes, like you believe Palestinian civilians…

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Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by J_Shelby_J »

mgraczyk wrote: post #424
J_Shelby_J wrote: post #421

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I think the point is: were the experiments testing whether people said they liked X better and immediately engaged or were you testing whether or not the user felt good about the experience and wanted to come back long term. My experience is meta prioritizes instant gratification, which yeah people and their immediate actions says they want. But also I’ve completely stopped using Facebook and instagram because it bec…

We ran experiments that lasted up to 5 years. People who have ranked feeds self report a better experience after using the product for years, although you have to be careful with these sorts of things because the chronological users are more likely to churn, which biases the results

Interesting. I just logged into facebook and my feed is spam, and my notifications are basically a chronological feed of my closest connections.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by mgraczyk »

J_Shelby_J wrote: post #886
mgraczyk wrote: post #424

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We ran experiments that lasted up to 5 years. People who have ranked feeds self report a better experience after using the product for years, although you have to be careful with these sorts of things because the chronological users are more likely to churn, which biases the results

Interesting. I just logged into facebook and my feed is spam, and my notifications are basically a chronological feed of my closest connections.

If you don't use Facebook regularly, the feed will be bad. They use almost no data older than 90 days

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by tptacek »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #881
tptacek wrote: post #880

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the opposite of what happened.

What is "this"? In 1967, the IDF was spoiling for a fight, and was extremely confident that it would defeat the Arab armies quickly and with low losses. It had planned and trained for a first strike on Egypt, which is what it ended up executing.

The opposite thing is true: we have documentary evidence that Egypt had a plan to preemptively invade. Again: cite a book where you're getting this stuff from. In addition to WP and AskHistorians, I'm citing Benny Morris (Righteous Victims), who is unsparing of Israel's complicity in the Six Day War and, most importantly, in its aftermath. I'm interested in where you could possibly have been getting the details you're confidently providing in this thread.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

tptacek wrote: post #888
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #881

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "this"? In 1967, the IDF was spoiling for a fight, and was extremely confident that it would defeat the Arab armies quickly and with low losses. It had planned and trained for a first strike on Egypt, which is what it ended up executing.

The opposite thing is true: we have documentary evidence that Egypt had a plan to preemptively invade. Again: cite a book where you're getting this stuff from. In addition to WP and AskHistorians, I'm citing Benny Morris (Righteous Victims), who is unsparing of Israel's complicity in the Six Day War and, most importantly, in its aftermath. I'm interested in where you could possibly have been getting the details you'r…

Having a plan on the shelf for how to invade is different from actually intending to invade. Israel not only had a plan to preemptively attack Egypt - it was very actively training for this plan and then carried it out. In contrast, it's fairly clear now that Egypt did not plan to invade Israel in June 1967, and was not in any position to do so. Like you, I've also read Benny Morris' Righteous Victims (which only has a relatively short section on the lead-up to the 1967 war).

The two points I've been making here are:

1. The traditional narrative that Israel fought a defensive war in 1967 is highly questionable, at best. It does not seem that the Egyptians were planning to attack, the Israelis themselves had a major hand in the escalation leading up to the war, and the Israeli military was extremely confident that it would quickly defeat the Arabs (an assessment that the Americans shared) and wanted a war.

2. This narrative that Israel gained the West Bank and Gaza through a defensive war is then used to justify Israel's more than half-century military rule over the Palestinians. Even if the Israeli narrative were 100% correct, it would not justify imposing military rule over millions of people for decades, while slowly robbing those people of their land and subjecting them to regular violence and humiliation.

Re: Meta censors pro-Palestinian views on a global scale, report claims

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Post by tptacek »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #889
tptacek wrote: post #888

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The opposite thing is true: we have documentary evidence that Egypt had a plan to preemptively invade. Again: cite a book where you're getting this stuff from. In addition to WP and AskHistorians, I'm citing Benny Morris (Righteous Victims), who is unsparing of Israel's complicity in the Six Day War and, most importantly, in its aftermath. I'm interested in where you could possibly have been getting the details you'r…

Having a plan on the shelf for how to invade is different from actually intending to invade. Israel not only had a plan to preemptively attack Egypt - it was very actively training for this plan and then carried it out. In contrast, it's fairly clear now that Egypt did not plan to invade Israel in June 1967, and was not in any position to do so. Like you, I've also read Benny Morris' Righteous Victims (which only has…

Righteous Victims has 2 whole chapters on the leadup to the Six Days War, which is like the centerpiece of the book. You can't be citing Righteous Victims, because it strenuously disagrees with virtually everything you've said here. What are you citing?
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