'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture • Hacker News Board

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by pnt12 » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:19 AM UTC

fathyb wrote: post #851

l3mure wrote: post #469

> The bombing of power targets, according to intelligence sources who had first-hand experience with its application in Gaza in the past, is mainly intended to harm Palestinian civil society: to “create a shock” that, among other things, will reverberate powerfully and “lead civilians to put pressure on Hamas,” as one source put it. > Several of the sources, who spoke to +972 and Local Call on the condition of anonym…

> a system called “Habsora” (“The Gospel”), which is largely built on artificial intelligence and can “generate” targets almost automatically Do we have any example of popular open-source software with a license that restricts military usage?

Technically, licenses are not free/open source if they restrict usage.

Some have created licenses against commercial or unethical uses but they are not widely used in software, as they open a can of worms - these restrictions are subjective and as such hard to enforce.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by somedude895 » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:19 AM UTC

adammarples wrote: post #366

edanm wrote: post #344

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Every time somebody says this, I always ask the same question - what is the alternative? What should Israel do instead ? This is war. War is horrible and tragic, and far more so because Hamas hides within civilian buildings and used human shields. What should Israel do instead to protect itself and to fight Hamas?

I think Israel has to ask itself why there is such a large militant force on its borders, embedded in the civilian population. Why the population support it and why it is hell bent on destroying Israel. Why for example does this problem not occur for other nations? Could Israel be responsible in some way for the situation it is in? The alternative might lie some way from addressing that.

> why there is such a large militant force on its borders

Look further back in history to the founding of Israel. None of what you imply Israel is responsible for was a thing back then and yet all their neighbours banded together to destroy it. Most of those neighbours eventually lost interest, and now it‘s pretty much only Hamas and Hezbollah. Why? Because they get weapons and money from Iran, which has made it their goal to destroy Israel. Most Gazans just want to live in peace and prosperity. Without Iranian support, Hamas would be gone, attacks on Israel would mostly stop and everyone could finally look toward a future. The Saudis were finally going to reconcile with Israel which would have been a step in that direction, but Iran is making sure we stay stuck in this perpetual war, as they have every interest to.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by aaron695 » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:21 AM UTC

seabird wrote: post #386

dang wrote: post #2

All: if you're going to comment in this thread, please do not do so in the spirit of battle. The latter is off topic here, and the last thread HN had about this did not do well enough at keeping to the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . Instead, ask first whether you can find a place of compassion in yourself before commenting. If you can't, that's understandable, but then please don'…

I've been reading this site for 5+ years at this point and I hope that this experiment/exercise does not continue. This is an issue where those demanding commentary are generally not doing so in good faith, and acknowledging the reality of the situation is something that is best not done in polite company. There are plenty of places where you can discuss this content as much as you'd like, and nobody's life will be i…

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by jonathanstrange » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:26 AM UTC

Flagging this submission should lead to its removal. I'm very disappointed that HN allows political topics now. It's well-known that discussion of one-sided articles like this one doesn't lead to good discussions. It's clearly political, and, even worse, based on a one-sided submission pointing to Al Jazeera, which is driven by ideology and known for publishing way more radical articles in Arabic than in English. The best thing is to remove the whole submission.

In the absence of removing the thread, I feel morally obliged to represent the other side. According to a recent survey in the West Bank around 80% of all Palestinians in the West Bank support the October 7 attacks.[1] This may explain why the IDF is not always friendly towards Gaza prisoners and by default assumes they're Hamas members or sympathizers.

[1] https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20...

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by dappermanneke » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:27 AM UTC

neonsunset wrote: post #849

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #83

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You usually nuke stories that are political. I'm not being critical, it clearly leads to significant improvement over similar sites. What makes this one different? When I see a headline like this, I usually assume I managed to see it before you did, and if I refresh the page that it will probably disappear. So again, and without accusation, what's different? Bad things happen all over the world, nearly constantly or…

There are two possibilities: - This submission is being kept up out of personal agenda (in which case, fair, we can vote with out feet and voices on other platforms) - This submission is being kept up out of genuine belief. That would constitute an adjective used to describe a person who inadvertently helps their enemies (which Iranian proxies are). On another note, the article contents - most of it is just poor cond…

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by shiroiuma » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:31 AM UTC

acdha wrote: post #623

ejb999 wrote: post #474

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>>Each civilian killed by mistake has family, friends, and neighbors who might be inclined to avenge them and it’s hard for me to see how this doesn’t end up giving Hamas more recruits than they’re losing. Both Japan and Germany have been pretty well behaved since the Allies ground them to the dust during WW2 - why do you think it couldn't work here?

I’m not saying it’s impossible but that it’s a numbers game: if you have a messy battle with Hamas and kill a dozen people who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, that’s a dozen lotto tickets for the n% chance that one of the people who knew them succumbs to the propaganda saying the answer is to join Hamas and strike back. Angry people make rash decisions, especially if they think they don’t have choices. I w…

>or, say, the United States gives a big chunk of BLM land to anyone who wants to emigrate

For people who don't know, especially non-Americans, "BLM land" refers to unoccupied rural, wild land mainly in the western US states that's owned and managed by the federal government's Bureau of Land Management. It has nothing to do with the Black Lives Matter movement.

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by jiggawatts » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:36 AM UTC

awesomeMilou wrote: post #706

nomdep wrote: post #679

@dang This article might be “interesting” but so is porn. And both are off-topic, and not about satisfying our intellectual curiosity

The technical difficulties in digital porn distribution at least offer some points of on-topic discussion.

I personally would be curious to find out why that entire industry is on the cutting edge of technology in many respects, such as 4K, 3D, and VR but has completely avoided HDR?

Meanwhile Hollywood and streaming companies like Netflix have embraced HDR, but ignored VR, dropped 3D, and still often doing special effects in 2K!

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by shashashasha___ » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:37 AM UTC

nonviol wrote: post #833

hluska wrote: post #741

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What other options does Israel have?

Two states along the 1967 borders. If Israel and the US agreed to this, the international community would overwhelmingly support it. This would be more than enough to guarantee Israel's security.

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Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by xg15 » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

egisspegis wrote: post #876

keefle wrote: post #805

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Thats not completely true. By the time Hamas fired that rocket the time has already ended of the truce (7:00 am of that day), and Hamas was clear that it could not meet the extension criteria (brining out 10 more hostages from the category being exchanged (children and women)), it even proposed moving to another criteria (elderly), but Israel refused Again watch your language and only claim what has been proved (rape…

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What does this have to do with the question of who broke the ceasefire?

Re: 'Like we were lesser humans': Gaza boys, men recall Israeli arrest, torture

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Post by leereeves » Wed, Dec 13, 2023, 9:56 AM UTC

js212 wrote: post #789

leereeves wrote: post #161

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> what should be done about the guy holding a loaded gun at his hostage's head while covering himself in babys? It's a difficult situation, but I doubt the answer would be to shoot the guy and two babies, which is analogous to Israel's response, if you believe their claim that 1/3 of the people they've killed were Hamas.

And the total death counts are coming from a reliable source?

According to the AP, yes.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-health-mini...