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OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by nvm0n2 »

whoknowsidont wrote: post #559
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #103

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Any talented engineer or scientist who actually wants to ship product AND make money would head over to Sam’s startup. Any investor who cares about making money would fund Sam’s startup as well. The way the board pulled this off really gave them no good outcome. They stand to lose talent AND investors AND customers. Half the people I know who use GPT in their work are wondering if it will be even worth paying for if…

>would head over to Sam’s startup Why? I see a lot of hero-worship for Sam, but very little concrete facts about what he's done to make this a success. And given his history, I'm inclined to believe he just got lucky.

OpenAI is very conspicuously the only lab that (a) managed to keep the safety obsessives in their box, (b) generate huge financial upside for its employees and (c) isn't run by a researcher.

If Altman's contribution had simply been signing deals for data and compute then keeping staff fantasies under control, that already makes him unique in that space and hyper valuable. But he also seems to have good product sense. If you remember, the researchers originally didn't want to do chatgpt because they thought nobody would care.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by foooorsyth »

johnsillings wrote: post #877
karmasimida wrote: post #837

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I dislike AI ethnics very much, especially under the current context, it feels meaningless. The current GPT4 model only has over regulation problem, not lack of such.

go on?

The guardrails they put on it to prevent it from saying something controversial (from the perspective of the political climate of modern day San Francisco) make the model far less effective that it could be.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by hndweller1337 »

karmasimida wrote: post #837
mariaangelesjs wrote: post #821

If Altman gets to return, it’s the goodbye of AI ethics within OpenAI and the elimination of the nonprofit. Also, I believe that hiring him back because of “how much he is loved by people within OpenAI” is like forgetting that a corrupt president did what they did. In all honesty, that has precedent, so it wouldn’t be old news. Also, I read a lot of people here saying this is about engineers vs scientists…I believe t…

I dislike AI ethnics very much, especially under the current context, it feels meaningless. The current GPT4 model only has over regulation problem, not lack of such.

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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by steve1977 »

mariaangelesjs wrote: post #821

If Altman gets to return, it’s the goodbye of AI ethics within OpenAI and the elimination of the nonprofit. Also, I believe that hiring him back because of “how much he is loved by people within OpenAI” is like forgetting that a corrupt president did what they did. In all honesty, that has precedent, so it wouldn’t be old news. Also, I read a lot of people here saying this is about engineers vs scientists…I believe t…

Most of the data scientists I have worked with are neither full stack (in terms of skill) nor engineers (in terms of work attitude), but I guess this could be different in a company like OpenAI.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by mhh__ »

hndweller1337 wrote: post #883
karmasimida wrote: post #837

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dislike AI ethnics very much, especially under the current context, it feels meaningless. The current GPT4 model only has over regulation problem, not lack of such.

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Yeah yeah...

This "political correctness" makes the AI measurably stupider, if nothing

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by lozenge »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #860
TapWaterBandit wrote: post #827

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On the other hand having virtually the whole staff being willing to follow him shows they clearly think very highly of him. That kind of loyalty is pretty wild when you think about how significant being a part of OPENAI means at this point.

Loyalty is not earned, it is more like 'snared' or 'captured'. Local guy had all the loyalty of his employees, almost a hero to them. Got bought out. He took all the money for himself, left the employees with nothing. Many got laid off. Result? Still loyal. Still talk of him as a hero. Even though he obviously screwed them, cared nothing for them, betrayed them. Loyalty is strange. Born of charisma and empty talk tha…

He screwed them how? They knew they were employees not co owners.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by blitzar »

v3ss0n wrote: post #878
d-z-m wrote: post #851

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> I believe that people don’t understand that Data Scientists are full stack engineers. What do you mean by "full stack"? I'm sure there's a spectrum of ability, but frankly where I'm from, "Data Scientist" refers to someone who can use pandas and scikit-learn. Probably from inside a Jupyter notebook.

Machine learning, data science, Deep learning= backend Plotting, Charting ,visualization, = frontend

Truly the modern renaissance people of our era.

Leonardo da Vinci and Michelangelo move over - the Data Scientists have arrived.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by lozenge »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #844
nerbert wrote: post #828

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Like it or not, some people compare him to Jobs http://www.paulgraham.com/5founders.html

This is the problem with people: they build icons to worship and turn a blind eye to the crooked side of that icon. Both Jobs and Altman are significant as businessmen and have accomplished a lot, but neither did squat for the technical part of the business. Right now, Altman is irrelevant for the further development of AI and GPT in particular because the vision for the AI future comes from the engineers and scienti…

Maybe Altman was instrumental in securing those investments and finances that you describe without reason as replaceable and trivial.

You haven't actually given anything "crooked" that Altman did.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by ohcmon »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #844
nerbert wrote: post #828

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Like it or not, some people compare him to Jobs http://www.paulgraham.com/5founders.html

This is the problem with people: they build icons to worship and turn a blind eye to the crooked side of that icon. Both Jobs and Altman are significant as businessmen and have accomplished a lot, but neither did squat for the technical part of the business. Right now, Altman is irrelevant for the further development of AI and GPT in particular because the vision for the AI future comes from the engineers and scienti…

Ecosystem around chat GPT is the differentiator that Meta and Mistral can’t beat – so I’d say that Altman is more relevant today than ever. And, for example, if you’ve read Mistral’s paper – I think you would agree that it’s straightforward to replicate similar results for every other major player. Replicating ecosystem is much harder.

Performance is never a complete product – neither for Apple, nor for Open AI (its for-profit part).

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by tim333 »

pk-protect-ai wrote: post #844
nerbert wrote: post #828

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Like it or not, some people compare him to Jobs http://www.paulgraham.com/5founders.html

This is the problem with people: they build icons to worship and turn a blind eye to the crooked side of that icon. Both Jobs and Altman are significant as businessmen and have accomplished a lot, but neither did squat for the technical part of the business. Right now, Altman is irrelevant for the further development of AI and GPT in particular because the vision for the AI future comes from the engineers and scienti…

When Jobs left Apple it went to hell because there was no one competently directing the technical guys as to what to build. The fact that he had flaws is kind of irrelevant to that. I'm not sure if similar applies to Altman.

By the way I can't agree with you on iOS from my personal experience. If you are using the phone as a phone it works very nicely. Admittedly it's not great if you want to write code or some such but there are other devices for that.

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