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Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by ukd1 »

irusensei wrote: post #731

I have an 16GB M1 Pro and it's a great machine. I want to jump the shark on a M3 max. Feels like some computer that should last 4-5 years much like my m1. However I keep an ugly ass full AMD Asus ROG laptop running Linux for gaming. I want to wait for the dust to settle on the Proton-like compatbility layer feature. I know crossover exists but past experiences lead me to believe is not as compatible as Proton. Back i…

Ya I'm on an M1 Max with 64G of ram, and it's still great. I know the M2 and M3 now (for Max) have more memory bandwidth, which is attractive, but otherwise...meh.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by daft_pink »

mdavidn wrote: post #862
daft_pink wrote: post #305

I feel very disappointed that the laptops lack decent i/o. They spend all this time talking about how advanced the GPU is, but it's a $1,600 laptop that can only power one external display or a 2,000 laptop that can only power two displays? Plus they are nerfing the desktops by only offering the all-in-ones with m2, so you can walk into a store and want to buy any other desktop now you are paying a huge premium for o…

> Plus they are nerfing the desktops by only offering the all-in-ones with m2 I'm confused by this statement. The iMacs leapfrogged M2. The new models shipping next month will have regular M3 chips, replacing M1 models.

sorry, it's a typo and it won't let me edit it now. I meant that they only desktop they upgrade to m3 is the iMac and all the other desktops are thousands of dollars with the old processor... so like Mac Studio for $2,000 that I need to buy to power all my monitors now is using an old outdated processor.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by jeffdn »

takinola wrote: post #856
jacquesm wrote: post #268

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Intel straggler here. And I'll remain one until Linux runs flawlessly on the newer generation. I have an older Thinkpad as my main workhorse and a now quite old Macbook air for on the road, it's battery has been shot for a long time but it still works quite good when plugged in and I'm too much of a miser to have it replaced. But if there is a way to run a full Linux distro on the newer hardware then I'll probably bu…

I'm curious. I run Ubuntu in a VM Fusion VM on my (Intel) Mac. Would that not work on a M-series Mac?

Absolutely! VMWare Fusion supports Apple Silicon (as do several other VM software, like Parallels.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by nabakin »

photonerd wrote: post #204
polishTar wrote: post #195

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In addition to the reduced memory bandwidth, the M3 pro also loses 2 performance cores for only 2 more efficiency cores. M2 pro: 8 performance cores + 4 efficiency cores. M3 pro: 6 performance cores + 6 efficiency cores. Not a great trade... I'm not sure the M3 pro can be considered an upgrade

Depends. Is it faster? Then it's an upgrade. Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better? I thought we'd learned our lesson with the silly Mhz Myth already?

> Has the CPU industry really managed to pull off it's attempt at a bs coup that more cores always === better?

I thought this at first then I realized the cost-performance benefit gained from adding more cores often outweighs just improving the performance of single cores. Even in gaming. I think this is what led AMD to create their Ryzen 9 line of CPUs with 12 cores in 2019.

That being said, I abhor the deceptive marketing which says 50% more performance when in reality, it's at most 50% more performance specifically on perfectly parallel tasks which is not the general performance that the consumer expects.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by addicted »

hospitalJail wrote: post #779
cwingrav wrote: post #725

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I think what Apple is pushing for is computing efficiency. It still gets faster but with much less power. Focusing on performance solely would be the wrong way to evaluate these chips. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/apple-m3-chip

This drives me crazy. Apple plays the market like Nintendo. Pick something that no one cares about, do it better than anyone else, and make a big deal about it. I dream of a world where instead of a marketing company becoming a top 3 tech company, a tech company would have. Wonder what they would have done for their laptop... Or maybe this is just an inevitable outcome of capitalism/human biology where a veblen goods…

Apple develops its own OS. Apple develops its own development stack, frameworks, etc. Apple develops its own CPU/GPU architecture. Apple develops its own battery architecture. Apple develops its own tooling to manufacture a lot of their products. Apple develops its own tooling to dispose off their products.

There are very few companies that have as much first party Tech in their products from start to finish.

I think Apple under prioritizes sdvanced functionality but if they’re not a Tech company than it’s hard to see what is.

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Post by 1000100_1000101 »

michaelteter wrote: post #760
fastball wrote: post #357

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I bought a top spec Intel mac a month before the M1 came out. Just sold that computer for 1/3 it's original price :\

I don't recall if the M1 was a secret/surprise (I doubt it). Before buying any Apple hardware, it's worth looking up a couple of sites that suggest when the next release cycle will be for a given item and what specs are expected in the next release. The one I use is https://buyersguide.macrumors.com/

M1 was not a surprise.

After years of waiting for a non-butterfly keyboard, they released a working Intel based MBP, but almost immediately made it worthless by announcing the migration to Arm. They even "rented" prototypes using A12Z chips for developers to use to prepare their apps nearly a year in advance. Hardly a stealth endeavour.

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Post by kfajdsl »

faeriechangling wrote: post #457
Kye wrote: post #139

It's shiny but I think I'll stick to my upgradable RAM and two m2 slots + a RTX 3070ti and i7-12700H for a fraction of the price. Something at Apple broke when they switched to their own silicon outside iPad and iPhone. They turned around the slow march toward parity on price:performance/RAM/storage and went screaming in the other direction. I really wanted to switch to mac when I was shopping for a new system earlie…

People have never bought Apple because of the hardware. They buy it because of the software, the aesthetics, the label, the support (It's easier to find an Apple repair shop than repair shops for any other brand anywhere in the world), and the integration with Apple's services. Comparing spec to spec is missing the point. Also while this is niche, at the high end (M3 max + 128gb) you end up with a laptop that can lit…

> People have never bought Apple because of the hardware

Hardware was the primary reason for me buying an M2 MBP. I've been primarily a Linux user for years, but I bought a MBP after my ThinkPad T14s just died and became completely unresponsive in the middle of a work day. The screen is gorgeous, the trackpad is great, the keyboard is decent, but the battery life is incredible. My ThinkPad was advertised to have a 12 hour battery life, but I'd be lucky to get 8. I can go nearly two days without charging my MBP.

I don't love macOS though. I had to install several third party apps to get basics like window snapping and a middle click, but I'm mostly okay since I just swap between Emacs and Chrome. Once Asahi gets DP over USB-C support though, I'll probably switch.

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Post by toxik »

niek_pas wrote: post #876
rexf wrote: post #869

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> I feel very disappointed that the laptops lack decent i/o. They spend all this time talking about how advanced the GPU is, but it's a $1,600 laptop that can only power one external display or a 2,000 laptop that can only power two displays? yep. powering 2+ screens on a mac is not a straightforward process. for the prices Apple is charging on their "pro" machines, it should be simple to plug in 2 or even more scree…

Genuinely curious: what is your workflow that it requires more than 2 external monitors? Pro video?

A lot of people use three screens. I don’t, I use one, but people do.

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Post by huytersd »

cpuguy83 wrote: post #796
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Ah just updated my comment. I really dislike how slow Parallels is.

For gaming sure... but anything else... hypervisors are very good these days.

I need it for windows only CNC software. It’s pretty terrible for that purpose.

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Post by morbicer »

mschuster91 wrote: post #322
cmcaleer wrote: post #271

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It’s a huge nice-to-have. Moving from a decently beefy laptop to a MacBook has been night and day for me in terms of (a) not worrying about windows smart sleep (or whatever it’s called) waking my laptop so it’s warm and dead when I go to use it a few hours later and (b) not worrying about my laptop being dead when I open it after the weekend. (a) should have been fixed years ago but still randomly happens on my partn…

> (a) not worrying about windows smart sleep (or whatever it’s called) waking my laptop so it’s warm and dead when I go to use it a few hours later MacBooks can run into the same problem if you have AirPods. I don't know WHAT the exact logic is, but the number of times I've used my AirPods at night, with the last pair being to my phone and the AirPods now connecting to my work laptop instead, causing a series of blar…

For years I am a happy user of Kill Bluetooth On Sleep (KBOS) https://github.com/alb12-la/KBOS
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