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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by danielvaughn »

happytiger wrote: post #497

We need to MAKE SURE that AI as a technology ISN'T controlled by a small number of powerful corporations with connections to governments. To expound, this just seems like a power grab to me, to "lock in" the lead and keep AI controlled by a small number of corporations that can afford to license and operate the technologies. Obviously, this will create a critical nexus of control for a small number of well connected…

Kinda beating a dead horse here, but I'll never get over the fact that a company called "OpenAI" is spearheading this nonsense.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by chii »

briantakita wrote: post #709
brookst wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not following this "good ideas must come from an ideologically pure source" thing. Shouldn't we be evaluating ideas on the merits and not categorically rejecting (or endorsing) them based on who said them?

> Shouldn't we be evaluating ideas on the merits and not categorically rejecting (or endorsing) them based on who said them? The problem is when only the entrenched industry players & legislators have a voice, there are many ideas & perspectives that are simply not heard or considered. Industrial groups have a long history of using regulations to entrench their positions & to stifle competition...creating a "barrier…

> there are many ideas & perspectives that are simply not heard or considered.

of course, but just because those ideas are unheard, doesn't mean they are going to be any better.

An idea should stand on its own merits, and be evaluated objectively. It doesn't matter who was doing the proposing.

Also the problem isn't that bad ideas might get implemented, but that the legislature isn't willing or able to make updates to laws that encoded a bad idea. Perhaps it isnt known that it is a bad idea until after the fact, and the methods of democracy we have today isn't easily able to force updates to bad laws encoding bad ideas.

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Post by cookieperson »

ur-whale wrote: post #45
cookieperson wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real problem here is that the number of crimes you can commit with LLMs is much higher then the number of good things you can do with it. It's pretty debatable that if society were fair or reasonable with decent laws in place that LLMs training corpus shouldn't even be legal. But here we are, waiting for more billionaires to cash in.

> The real problem here is that the number of crimes you can commit with LLMs is much higher then the number of good things you can do with it Yeah? Did you get a crystal ball for Christmas to be able to predict what can and can't be done with a new technology?

Yes. I did. ;)

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Post by anon84873628 »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #788
verdverm wrote: post #611

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to influence the politicians without money, this is not the way.

You are exactly correct. I have sent correspondence about ten times to my Congressmen and Senators. I have received a good reply (although often just saying there is nothing that they can do) except for the one time I contacted Jon Kyl and unfortunately mentioned data about his campaign donations from Monsanto - I was writing about a bill he sponsored that I thought would have made it difficult for small farmers to s…

Well, it's not like getting a response means anything anyway. The contents of the response has no correlation with their future behavior.

Politicians just know that it's better to be nice to people who seem to like you or are engaged with the system, since they want to keep getting your vote. If not then the person isn't worth your time.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

samstave wrote: post #711
brookst wrote: post #680

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not following this "good ideas must come from an ideologically pure source" thing. Shouldn't we be evaluating ideas on the merits and not categorically rejecting (or endorsing) them based on who said them?

Aside from who is saying them, the premise holds water. AI is beyond-borders, and thus unenforceable in practicality. The top-minds-of-AI are a group that cannot be regulated. - AI isnt about the industries it shall disrupt ; AI is the policy-makers it will expose. THAT is what they are afraid of. -- I have been able to do financial lenses into organizations that even with rudimentary BI would have taken me months/we…

This is a very interesting post. I don't understand this part: > Can you help to explain a different way?

And hat tip to this comment:

    Have you watched ANIME ever? Yeah... its here now.
The more I watch the original Ghost in the Shell, the more I think it has incredible foresight.

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Post by Aeolun »

mindcrime wrote: post #733
happytiger wrote: post #497

We need to MAKE SURE that AI as a technology ISN'T controlled by a small number of powerful corporations with connections to governments. To expound, this just seems like a power grab to me, to "lock in" the lead and keep AI controlled by a small number of corporations that can afford to license and operate the technologies. Obviously, this will create a critical nexus of control for a small number of well connected…

To expound, this just seems like a power grab to me, to "lock in" the lead and keep AI controlled by a small number of corporations that can afford to license and operate the technologies. Obviously, this will create a critical nexus of control for a small number of well connected and well heeled investors and is to be avoided at all costs. Exactly. Came here to say pretty much the same thing. This is the antithesis…

If you don’t have a moat, just dig one!

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Post by mr_toad »

abeppu wrote: post #330
elil17 wrote: post #129

This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

> regulation should focus on ensuring the safety of AIs once they are ready to be put into widespread use - this would allow companies and individuals to research new AIs freely while still ensuring that AI products are properly reviewed. While in general I share the view that _research_ should be unencumbered, but deployment should be regulated, I do take issue with your view that safety only matters once they are r…

> I cannot sell a "rain coat" made of gauze which offers no protection from rain, and I cannot sell a "smoke detector" which doesn't effectively detect smoke. Why should low-volume AI/ML products get a pass?

There are already laws against false advertising, misrepresentation etc. We don’t need extra laws specifically for AI that doesn’t perform well.

What most people are concerned about is AI that performs too well.

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Post by EGreg »

mschuster91 wrote: post #768
EGreg wrote: post #663

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I remember when a different Sam — Mr. Bankman Fried came to testify and ask a different government agency CFTC to oversee cryptocurrency, and put regulations and licenses in place. AI is following the path of Web3

At least AI has legitimate, actual use cases.

True but also other use cases with much worse outcomes than blockchain could ever have
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