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Post by johnchristopher »

ho_schi wrote: post #569

Netflix: ”You get two parallel streams with your family. Family means trust and password sharing.“ Customers: “Farewell pirating. We pay a fair flat and it is automatically shared between Netflix and artists. Great!“ Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family me…

Netflix: "Consuming media sucks. Let's try something different, affordable."

Customers: "Oh, great ! Looks too good to be true but so cool !"

A few years later

Netflix: "Well, reality caught with us, we must tighten the bolts or sink in"

Customers: "But... but... you are now forcing me to pirate again !"

/s

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Post by nickpp »

aaronblohowiak wrote: post #851
hoffs wrote: post #850

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"works great", maybe for consumer

... which is the person our governments should be optimizing for..

Isn't it in the consumer's best interest that the creator is also happy and well compensated as well and that a fair, competitive ecosystem of middle-men (distributors) exists?

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Post by zamnos »

datashaman wrote: post #876
sgift wrote: post #872

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If that's the case Netflix definition of success is very different from anyone else, cause no one cancels as much as Netflix does.

Netflix produces as much content as the rest of the streaming companies combined. It figures they would have more cancellations. Source: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1299847/spending-on-orig...

Spoiler: the link is from 2022 and only covers Amazon Prime Video, Apple TV+, and Hulu. The OG networks (G Paramount) and Disney were not mentioned.

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Post by Varqu »

phpisthebest wrote: post #286
Varqu wrote: post #65

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It's interesting to see that free market competition actually worsened the customer offering when it comes to streaming services. Back in the days, Netflix was a one-to-see-all service and that was also one of the reasons why it took people from torrenting to paying for movies. Nowadays, if you want to watch a particular movie, you have maybe a 10% chance that it is available on the streaming service that you are cur…

Nothing in your post has anything to do with free markets... markets maybe, but copyright is not a "free market".... it is by definition a monopoly a free market in content would be requiring the copyright holder to following something like FRAND for patents, and disallow them from making "exclusive" deals with one provider, this would then mean the market would be on price, speed, other competitive factors not on co…

A free market for content provider essentially means that they can do whatever they want with their content and rights to it.

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Post by zamnos »

serial_dev wrote: post #739
gs17 wrote: post #732

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> Netflix: “We increase the flat permanently. And we have now competitors and doesn’t over anymore all relevant content (e.g. Star Trek Picard, Expanse, Disney). How about ruining it and blocking family members with heuristics, geoblocking, per-device-checks and so on?“. Don't forget cancelling shows constantly. I'm not getting invested in anything Netflix unless I know it has an ending already.

Yes, so annoying. Some shows just makes you interested, invested in the story, you learn the characters' names... Then the season ends, you look up when the next season comes out... And you see that the show has been canceled... Happened too many times, last one that really frustrated me was GLOW. I wonder if it has a vicious circle, spiral component to it, like how Google keeps killing their products because people…

I think it was the report that went around that Netflix won't renew most shows for a third season because that's when the writers and talent get uppity and ask to gasp be paid well for their work.

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Post by Proven »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #290
Proven wrote: post #120

If you lose users (and costs) but not customers, that's not so bad.

You can also anger users which will destroy their loyalty. And without their loyalty, there will be no profit. Part of the fun experience of using Netflix was account sharing with your friends. It was a social aspect that contributed and encouraged keeping the subscription. Without it, using it alone is getting really boring.

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Post by baq »

mitchdoogle wrote: post #575
baq wrote: post #115

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That's the paradox: everybody wants to build and operate that since it's obvious everyone would subscribe to such a service, it'd be a cash cow, a golden goose, etc. But nobody wants to share their slice of the copyright and licensing pie with anybody else for revenue reasons, brand reasons, whatever, so we're slowly moving back toward the cable model with 200 subscriptions and nothing to watch. Torrents will be back…

The real question is why do people feel like they deserve to have access to absolutely everything? The home entertainment landscape has continually moved towards more options, better technology, and more access, and always at a cheaper rate per hour of programming than before. Of course, if you want to maintain access to absolutely everything, then your cost is always going to go up, because the pool of absolutely ev…

I don't know if I'd use words like 'feel like they deserve'. I'd rather use 'feel like it isn't possible because somebody said so'. It evidently is possible technically and people (IMHO correctly) are fed up with studios not being able politically to work together to provide a good service - IOW they vote with their wallets.

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Post by mk89 »

dcow wrote: post #458

What I truly don’t understand is why everyone decided they needed their own streaming platforms. What’s the strategy there? Why does Disney need to invest resources into Disney+ when they can just sell the rights to their content to one or two Streaming platforms and make more money? Did they think it would be cheaper to build their own platforms? Same for all the others. Who cares if Netflix owns the streaming user-…

I see this trend increasing a bit for everything else too: companies are realizing that their brands are slowly degrading when they outsource "just the e-commerce/delivery part", because they realized a bit too late that it's not "just" the delivery part.

All these centralized platforms (amazon, netflix, ...huge brands acting as a single marketplace) own (or, ... are "aware of") metadata about your content, e.g., what people like, what they buy, etc. Which is what content creators need to build more content.

Shall we even talk about the "copy/paste" of products/shows (see Amazon Basic brands), I guess Netflix did the same (from sellers they became producers). That's when things have to come to a hard stop.

That's my 2 cents.

I am still surprised that services like Spotify and Deezer exist - you pay X euro/month but you get a s*tload of music, which should cover 90% of what people search for. Maybe the "delivery first, producing later" doesn't apply there, I guess.

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Post by cebert »

hedora wrote: post #852
genewitch wrote: post #761

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Verizon, who are well known for being affordable, honest, and "with the times", has announced they're going to bring back "cable" subscriptions - you give verizon a flat rate, and they get you all of the streaming services, presumably for less than you'd pay for them individually. Yes, the first part is obvious facetiousness.

I wish consumer protection laws applied to cell phone providers. I shopped around a while back, and walked into an AT&T, TMobile, and Verizon store. They all had big ass signs in the front window saying $25/month per line (with a bunch of fine print that can't be read from outside the store). Of course, none of them will honor that pricing. Also, none of them actually publish their prices. The best I got was some han…

For what it’s worth I pay $25/mo on Visible, Verizon’s discount carrier, and have been quite happy.

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Post by ModernMech »

Lio wrote: post #859
ModernMech wrote: post #824

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> No body has been deprived of anything, it's just copyright violation. The second part of your sentence doesn't follow from the first. If someone is violating a copyright, that someone else has been deprived of their rights to control their IP, and they're owed compensation. That's the system we set up, so that's the system we should follow. If a rights holder wants to grant you the privilege of copying the data, th…

The system we set up includes fair use. Backing up media is fair use. Again, no one has been deprived of their rights and the copyright holder’s rights are not unlimited.

Granted fair use is a thing, and rights aren’t unlimited. I’m not arguing against fair use, but many here advocating piracy are not arguing from a fair use perspective. Or are you trying to argue that all piracy is fair use? That would be a more interesting argument than pointing at the existence of fair use, not that I would agree with it.
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