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As if Elon needs 20 dollars.

Stephen King would pay $8, Elon Musk would earn $8 x the number of users that paid.

Stephen King would not pay. He doesn't need Twitter. He can spend that time writing another book convert to a substack or something.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

#882

"Half as many ads" fascinates me deeply. Has a business ever publicly quantified how many ads you get? Does YouTube say, "we expose you to an average of x seconds of commercials and y pixels of static ads"? How do I know what half should be? We've all been there: "it feels like YouTube has cranked the ads way up lately..." Will "half" just become "full" when "full" gets doubled next year?

Broadcast TV has had very specific rules for how many ads you can have and broadcast had less then basic cable.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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> respond freely You can already filter out non-verified mentions and replies. Presumably that's not going away, and will be used by far more people after this change. It very much is a barrier to entry.

> You can already filter out non-verified mentions and replies. How?

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/a/2013/filtering-mentions

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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I know for (indie) games, twitter is a lagging indicator. That means you don't get famous through twitter, but twitter is a lagging indicator of the success on Steam. I can look up the source of this statement if you're interested.

I don't really see the relevance? We can rephrase your comment as "if people like your game, sometimes they follow your Twitter account". That's just an example of using Twitter to advertise your other content.

Marketing wise the difference is huge. Say you release a new game, and want to know which marketing channels to focus on. As it turns out, Twitter will not give you much new customers that haven't come into contact with your game before.

I agree with you that once you have those followers, you can leverage that with other content. But building up your audience mainly needs to happen through other channels.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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How do you reconcile that view with Elon's successful ventures, e.g. the other Tesla's, Starlink, and SpaceX?

I'm not OP but I think that they said that Elon sounds like a bad PM to work under, not that he's unsuccessful at developing and marketing products

Considering they used "shower thoughts" to devalue the idea before factoring in Elons incredible track record (by company/capitalist metrics, no personal judgement required), I feel that you are being very generous towards OP.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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> In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. There is a very big difference between Twitter and YouTube, and it's obvious once you know it. Look at the most popular people on twitter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Twitte... All celebrities outside of twitter. Then look at YouTube: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouT... Almost all made famous by YouTube.…

If I were YouTube right now, I'd be evaluating the opportunity to eat Twitter's lunch as it'll get distracted by a randomizing new owner. The YouTube posts product really isn't relevant in the current YouTube app, but as a separate experience focused on posts, it might have some value for non-creators on the platform. Bad as it is, YouTube has more of its act together than Twitter when it comes to designing and enfor…

Today while selecting a handle I was wondering why YT is doing this. There is no real added value except for using a standardized symbol used in social networks.

In my eyes YT is no social network, even though many claim it is.

The comment section, where the discussion and interaction takes place, is like SMS is to WhatsApp, in the sense that it has no surface to enrich dialogue. For example, you can't add images in replies to a comment, comments can't be embedded in websites.

I don't see how they can expand to a multimedia platform, which is what Facebook, Twitter, Instagram are. They're just a video platform and lack everything else which could move it towards a multimedia platform.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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That's the core problem with this approach. Elon and others have the idea in their head that Twitter is a social graph where people come to interact with each other, and everyone is relatively equal. So every user paying $X/mo to solidify their place in the graph makes some conceptual sense. In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. A tiny percentage of users are creators while the vast majority are c…

Gonna disagree with you here. Musk is only doing with Twitter what Fark.com did over 20 years ago with TotalFark - you pay a small monthly fee for admission, and you get a shiny badge next to your username, along with a few perks. Just like Something Awful forums did before that - paid admission - it's an excellent tool to weed out the obvious bots and low effort trolls. Twitter has no "creators" - it's just a fancy…

It'll just become the new version of Twitter's "super follow" - a thing that makes you stand out as a bit of a mark, and a target for ridicule.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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> In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. There is a very big difference between Twitter and YouTube, and it's obvious once you know it. Look at the most popular people on twitter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-followed_Twitte... All celebrities outside of twitter. Then look at YouTube: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouT... Almost all made famous by YouTube.…

> Then look at YouTube: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-subscribed_YouT ... > Almost all made famous by YouTube. I looked the top 50 in that list and maybe ~5 of them are what you describe. The rest are big music labels, TV channels, artists and other such independently popular figures, not very different from Twitter.

It's VERY different in the way that Twitter is dominated by the US. YouTube, while heavily favoring India and to some extend the US, is much more mix in regards to country of origin.

I agree with the observation that Twitter is for people who are already famous, especially those made famous by US media. YouTube seems to at least allow for creators to build their own following and more importantly: Make money off their work.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doors.

He has been planning this since before he ever made a proposal to buy the company.

He has been planning to put out a "hey who would pay $20 for a blue check" tweet followed by an immediate capitulation to "ok what about $8?" when a big name mocks the idea - that was the plan? That is ... not a good plan.

Re: Twitter Blue for $8/Month

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post #322

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That's the core problem with this approach. Elon and others have the idea in their head that Twitter is a social graph where people come to interact with each other, and everyone is relatively equal. So every user paying $X/mo to solidify their place in the graph makes some conceptual sense. In reality Twitter is more akin to YouTube than Facebook. A tiny percentage of users are creators while the vast majority are c…

Gonna disagree with you here. Musk is only doing with Twitter what Fark.com did over 20 years ago with TotalFark - you pay a small monthly fee for admission, and you get a shiny badge next to your username, along with a few perks. Just like Something Awful forums did before that - paid admission - it's an excellent tool to weed out the obvious bots and low effort trolls. Twitter has no "creators" - it's just a fancy…

And Fark and Something Awful are both dead.
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