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Post by nprateem »

hackerlight wrote: post #549
peyton wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a distinction some guy just made up not too long ago. I can see why some people might not consider it a fact of the universe.

All categories are arbitrary distinctions that someone made up at some point, including the categories of biological sex, race, and your birth name. At the very least it would be bullying behavior for me to single you out and call you a different name or different racial group to what you actually are (as defined by the constructs that society has agreed upon).

You either have a Y chromosome or you don't

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Post by harshtruths »

smcl wrote: post #396

Guess his fans celebrating their newly acquired “free speech” by spamming the n-word were wrong

This was never about that.

Except very few fringe people (and progressives towards black people leaving the plantation) nobody wants to use or see racial slurs on social media. That shit doesn't even fly on Zerohedge and most are absolutely fine with that.

What we want is to be able to say "okay dude" and "only women can get pregnant" without being banned.

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Post by WaxProlix »

the_doctah wrote: post #757
WaxProlix wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hard to say with how vague that is, can you give concrete examples of these things that Twitter progressives deem questionable opinions?

"Men can't be women and vice-versa". But you knew that was the answer.

It's not exactly shocking, but there's plenty of 'right wing stances' it could be. A lot of this going around (cw racism, slurs) for example https://www.reddit.com/gallery/yfxkbf

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Post by paganel »

jszymborski wrote: post #25
mikkergp wrote: post #7

This sort of justifies the viewpoint that despite all his bluster, Elon will probably run Twitter the way a "reasonable executive" would. Not just release the hounds. Keep the advertisers happy, but try to reduce the reliance on advertisers. Keep moderating content to reduce abuse, maybe eliminate the high profile banning but a person on the ground will have largely the same experience. (probably less action on more…

A bunch of accounts like The Babylon Bee and Ye have been unbanned w/o input from any such committee of diverse viewpoints. I don't have much faith that Musk will not act unilaterally in service of his friends and allies.

> The Babylon Bee

What's wrong with unbanning a satirical account?

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Post by paganel »

slg wrote: post #345
partiallypro wrote: post #280

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Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Kanye's ban, he's just a mentally ill person. I don't think he meant "death con" he just didn't know that it's actually "def con." His remarks are still reprehensible. Twitter's whole moderation problem has been it i…

>Babylon Bee being suspended was one of the dumber things the previous Twitter rules had done. It's a satire site, it's right leaning, nothing in the piece they said was hateful or even an unpopular view. Twitter banned the Babylon Bee for targeting a random and rather anonymous bureaucrat that likely isn't among the 1000 most powerful people in government in the US for the sole purpose that she is trans. This target…

We should be allowed to satirize almost everything that is part of our society, so to speak, satire that avoids the hot societal topics isn't really satire (see SNL). The trans discussion is really a hot topic inside the US, for better of for worse, so a satirical website talking about it is how things should be.

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Post by harshtruths »

hackernewds wrote: post #770
eruci wrote: post #613

Diversity of viewpoints is good, even if they are all "wrong" with various amounts of "nuggets" of truth. The futile exercise of preventing someone from hurting someone else's feelings, is the main casualty, and that's a very very good thing.

"vaccines cause mild autism" Misinformation has real world impact

I am not sure the last word on that has been spoken. But you obviously are. You guys are alway so sure that you got the last and final truth, aren't you? How many last and final truths are we up to for COVID btw?

Misinformation is propaganda term that's employed to give the state the power to define what the truth is.

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Post by harshtruths »

rat87 wrote: post #293

Might theoretically work as long as you have no Trumpers/MAGA types on the council. If you put them on the council they'll try to ban their political opponents and allow every kooky antivax and racist far right tweet.

Kooky antivax = the people who have been correctly calling COVID for the past three years

Racist = like calling Kanye West the n-word on twitter. Oh wait that was one of your blue checks.

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Post by rekado »

Zagill wrote: post #501
mildmotive wrote: post #404

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> They didn’t even make a joke. They just called trans woman a man. It was hate speech, pure and simple. It’s not a crime nor hate speech to acknowledge someone’s biological sex. That’s what we do in sports and when we select partners for example. Most, if not all heterosexual men would not consider a “trans woman” to be an actual woman. Our way of selecting partners is proof of that. To punish a natural, and biologi…

How are we this far into the modern trans rights movement and people still haven't wrapped their brains around sex and gender being two distinct concepts?

The problem is that it's not at all straight-forward. It doesn't help that the word "gender" has been used to name a number of different and conflicting concepts.

See https://sro.sussex.ac.uk/id/eprint/84795/ (copy available here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZHkN2EYkl0v1oxhbd-5mnp9Fn1V...) for a discussion of the different concepts and the resulting confusion from a so-called gender critical perspective.

The distinction between sex and gender leads to interesting problems of performing gender and what it means for gender (and sex) to be socially constructed. And if both are socially constructed can the divide be upheld without requiring counter-intuitive definitions?

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/feminism-gender/#SexGenDi...

The haziness of the term "woman" seems to be a popular target for mockery among conservatives. And phrased as an ontological question ("what is a woman?") it is unsurprisingly baffling to many people who haven't kept up with feminism and who are not personally affected by the outcome of this philosophical debate. Equally unsurprising then for these people to consider "The Left" to be out of touch.

Expressing exasperation at our collective failure to wrap our brains around these concepts is an understandable reaction from someone well-read, but it does nothing to change minds.

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Post by jl6 »

slg wrote: post #698
partiallypro wrote: post #645

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The joke of the article was that she was named "Woman of the Year," so they named her "Man of the Year" to point out the ridiculousness of such an award for her. You can disagree with that, or you can agree with that, but it's still a very tame joke. I don't think the debate on transsexualism is a closed case in many regards. There are important topics to discuss on it; and satire, even if you don't find it funny, is…

>The joke of the article was that she was named "Woman of the Year," so they named her "Man of the Year" to point out the ridiculousness of such an award for her. The award is only ridiculous if you think trans people shouldn't exist in public as openly trans. I mean you even referred to her as "her" so you seemingly recognize that her being eligible for "Woman of the Year" is more appropriate than "Man of the Year".…

> The conservatives viewpoint that the Babylon Bee seems to subscribe to is that gender and sex are they same thing and they are binary. There is no way to debate against that viewpoint. There is no possible compromise position.

No, the conservative position is that sex is objective and factual, while gender is a subjective facet of personality that is socially constructed. The compromise position is to destigmatize gender nonconformance within the category of “man” in a way that does not set up a conflict of rights with women.

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