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Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by blairanderson »

jedwhite wrote: post #585
softwarebeware wrote: post #6

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

Distribution will come if the product is better, but it is a hard problem. I try every new search engine I can and they are always worse/slower than google.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by aghilmort »

WalterBright wrote: post #682
jedwhite wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

I would think that there'd be an online opportunity for a search engine that only searches humanly curated sites. Those sites would be ones that have quality information rather than spam. Some obvious examples - wikipedia, reddit, hackernews, public domain books, etc. It's easy to game an algorithm, but hard to game a human - humans know garbage when they see it. As an aside, whenever I get a prescription, included w…

pretty much what we're building at breezethat.com -- currently launching about one topic / week, and opening door soon so others can curate / moderate a topic

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by friedturkey »

uberman wrote: post #867

Google Rep: "You said in the post that quotes don't give exact matches. They really do. Honest. Me: Google for "quotes don't give": Top result, does not contain the given phrase Second result, does not contain that phrase This is literally the first thing I tried and I did a view source to be sure. They are lying to us and/or themselves. Looking at the result, I would say 1/2 the results don't include that phrase inc…

Just tried this and you're completely right.

Shameless how they think anyone would be gaslit.

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by aghilmort »

fleddr wrote: post #815

I want to share some experiences from within the particular niche that is wildlife photography and how it relates to species information. I've been querying such information for over 15 years. Search for a plant species. You'll have the hardest time finding anything about the plant itself, results are dominated by parties selling the plant. Quite often not even the plant you searched for. Search for a species of inse…

we're launching a bird identification search engine this month via breezethat.com ahead of the spring bird migration if you'd like early access to test it for this very reason. We can add others after that for plants etc., say one / quarter as part of what we're dubbing our planet saver topic searches. dm here or on twitter as DotDotJames if want to test the bird identification finder

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by nunez »

Finally, the article I'm happy someone wrote.

I've lost all faith in most search results. SO MUCH CONTENT is designed and tailored to rank and drive ad traffic, not to inform. This isn't the case with Reddit, since the capitalistic factor isn't there.

Yeah, there's a risk of misinformation from results from bigger subs, but posts from smaller subs almost always produce factual, high-quality content from actual people with no hidden agendas.

Example. I was looking for a french toast recipe some time ago. Searching "french toast recipe" on Google on mobile (in Houston, TX) yields four pinned results, one of which is from the Food Network (which might be okay, but they're also a huge content aggregator), amongst a bunch of recipes, each of which has a marathon of words before the actual recipe because ads gotta ad.

Instead, searching for "french toast recipe site:reddit.com" gives you a bunch of posts from people who asked the same question along with answers from several people, some of which contain links to recipes that didn't rank before (or are ONLY on Reddit).

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by aghilmort »

0xbadcafebee wrote: post #732

Google's home-grown recipe metadata format , and a single WordPress plugin to create recipe blogs, are the reason you can't find a decent recipe on Google. Google's search engine is, without a doubt, superior to all alternatives. The fact that it's full of ads and junk is a conscious choice. Google could turn all that crap off tomorrow, and it would go back to being the best search results. Nobody has invested as muc…

pretty much what we're up to at Breeze -- we currently curate internally, gradually opening up public curation -- dm if want to test some of our upcoming topic searches ahead of public release

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by blakeinate »

jedwhite wrote: post #585
softwarebeware wrote: post #6

Some really good thoughts here. I'll summarize the ones that hit me: - "Why are people searching Reddit specifically? The short answer is that Google search results are clearly dying. The long answer is that most of the web has become too inauthentic to trust." This is it for me exactly. I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretl…

There's a reason why it seems shocking that Google has been able to balance the ads well enough that people still use it. They haven't! Google has orchestrated a monopoly over search engine distribution that allows them to get away with search results that are dominated by ads and spam, without losing most consumers. Let's be blunt here - almost no consumer consciously chooses to use Google search anymore. Google has…

Just tried andisearch and am extremely impressed. It has so far handled all queries I have thrown at it better than brave search and DDG. Will continue to experiment, best of luck and awesome work!

Re: Google Search Is Dying

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Post by Seattle3503 »

Lascaille wrote: post #586
coolso wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I search for the following kinds of things on Reddit exactly because results on other sites aren't trustworthy: Reviews are secretly paid ads. There is so much shilling on Reddit if you knew it would blow your mind. I wish more people realized this. Reddit is the best place to shill because not only is it ridiculously simple, people also automatically assume you’re not shilling, and then once you seed the idea, eve…

Reddit also - in my opinon - actively enables shilling and botposting. Why do they have an API? A forum that's meant to be 100% about humans talking to humans doesn't need an API, so why does it expose one? Also the model of user-created and user-moderated subreddits actively enables the creation of shill accounts. It's trivial to create a subreddit and use it to farm karma with a ton of bots. If you can keep real us…

I write moderation bots. Without an API, moderation would be difficult if not impossible.
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