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Why are so many Americans obsessed about Canadian politics all of a sudden? The comments here are mostly non-Canadian, and are not representative of the current general sentiment in Canada. While invocation of the Emergencies Act is always concerning, it's pretty clearly warranted here. There's always chance for abuse, but Trudeau's minority government is on thin ice and if they cross any lines they're as good as gon…
It’s not a small minority, it’s more people than voted for Trudeau’s govt. In Canada we call that a plurality. As for wether it’s warranted and 8 of 10 premiers are against its invocation in their provinces.
An overwhelming majority of Canadians support political parties whose platforms prioritize public health over personal freedoms. Even the conservative party supported some mandates!
It is indeed a small minority.
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Maybe the better question you should be asking is whether a simple majority (50%) is enough to justify drastic and extreme countermeasures mandated by the government, two years into a pandemic, with no end in sight. You might think this is a perfectly reasonable and responsible thing to do, but half of your neighbors strongly disagree. Now that vaccines, testing, and masks are widely available, does the government ha…
There's really been nothing drastic or extreme about Canadian health mandates at all (I had a lovely dinner at a restaurant last night) and health officials have been telegraphing that the end is in sight for weeks before this protest even started. Right now the hospitals continue to be overloaded and so long as that is the case the government's health officials absolutely have a right to limit risky activities that…
The hospitals here in Quebec have been overloaded and badly managed ever since I was of age to vote, and that's more than 20 years ago.
Most hospitals here have been operating above 100% capacity (you can find this information btw) for years. Waiting time in ER are crazy and the time to see a doctor have been reported to take in average 15 hours and up to 20 hours (pre-covid data in 2019) [1]. God forbid if you need to be hospitalized, as it can reach 24-48 hours.
Firing nurses over COVID measures before Christmas certainly didn't help, which is worth pointing out.
The politicians are trying to shift the blame of the bad healthcare systems happening under their watch to COVID.
[1]: https://plus.lapresse.ca/screens/2fe607e4-1054-4f10-9f56-703...
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It’s not a small minority, it’s more people than voted for Trudeau’s govt. In Canada we call that a plurality. As for wether it’s warranted and 8 of 10 premiers are against its invocation in their provinces.
If didn't vote for Trudeau, I guess I can't support this? An overwhelming majority of Canadians support political parties whose platforms prioritize public health over personal freedoms. Even the conservative party supported some mandates! It is indeed a small minority.
Probably also why the Conservatives got more votes than the Liberals (that and a lot of Canadians don't want a leader who wears blackface, I mean when you're talking fringe minorities with unacceptable views, doesn't wearing blackface to the mall sort of top the list?)
Just personally, what seems more unacceptable to you, wearing blackface, or going to a peaceful protest to protest people being fired to get vaccinated for a disease they already had?
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“Perfectly sound” crumbles on further inspection. First the protest is time sensitive. Consider all the relaxations that are happening with restrictions not only in Canada but globally. Canada has some of the most strict Covid laws in the world. Next the omicron virus is less dangerous, 90% of Canadians are vaccinated, and we have treatments for Covid patients in hospital. Your reasoning implies we should still be ge…
Look into how long Britain was on rations after WWII...
> In the late 1940s, the Conservative Party utilised and encouraged growing public anger at rationing, scarcity, controls, austerity and government bureaucracy to rally middle-class supporters and build a political comeback that won the 1951 general election.
Trudeau, like many members of the political class, treat the messiness of democracy as a bug when it is in fact a feature. The core purpose of liberal democracy, understood by any political science undergrad, is to _limit_ power - the tyranny of the majority, the executive branch etc... Yet this is poorly understood by a class of individuals who exclusively do politics as a way of earning a living (ex. Trudeau, Liz T…
Meh - they’re being asked to take jabs, wear masks, and be tested. It’s not that deep - we are in a public health crisis. I guess the next set of “protests” will be for people’s freedom to use carbon, against the tyranny of renewable energy. :-/
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> Occupying highways and roads for months on end is not a peaceful protest. What is inherently violent in those actions?
Non-peaceful does not imply violence. Most everyone is willing to tolerate a couple days of protests. Where it gets beyond peaceful is when you’re making a huge amount of noise at all hours of the day for weeks on end. That isn’t peaceful, it’s obviously disruptive to the point of intolerability. It’s abusing our willingness to tolerate protest.
What, specifically, about this protest is not peaceful - in the context of protests?
> Most everyone is willing to tolerate a couple days of protests.
If you only protest so long as people are willing to tolerate it, I don't see the point of protesting at all. Could you imagine how society would look today if emancipation protestors packed it up and went home after a few days?
> That isn’t peaceful, it’s obviously disruptive to the point of intolerability.
If being disruptive isn't the point of a protest, what is?
Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…
>Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donations are from wealthy business owners, not workers Others have addressed the fact that more than half the funds are from Canada. Imagine if someone tried to discredit BLM by saying that most of the funding came from wealthy business and not individual black community members...
This is incorrect, 4.3 million was from Canada out of 8.7 million total. ~49.5%
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If didn't vote for Trudeau, I guess I can't support this? An overwhelming majority of Canadians support political parties whose platforms prioritize public health over personal freedoms. Even the conservative party supported some mandates! It is indeed a small minority.
Then why are 8 of 10 premiers opposed to the invocation of the act? Sounds like opposition to Trudeau's gov't policy is pretty broad and widespread. Probably also why the Conservatives got more votes than the Liberals (that and a lot of Canadians don't want a leader who wears blackface, I mean when you're talking fringe minorities with unacceptable views, doesn't wearing blackface to the mall sort of top the list?) J…
8 out of 10 premiers oppose everything Trudeau does, because they're members of opposing political parties. News at 11.
Why are so many Americans obsessed about Canadian politics all of a sudden? The comments here are mostly non-Canadian, and are not representative of the current general sentiment in Canada. While invocation of the Emergencies Act is always concerning, it's pretty clearly warranted here. There's always chance for abuse, but Trudeau's minority government is on thin ice and if they cross any lines they're as good as gon…
I'm in the US. I follow 2 Canadians (that I know of), AvE, who seems to strongly support the Truckers, but he seems to lean right. The other is Julie Nolke, who is unlikely to ever mention it.
Getting a clear picture of it was something I would have counted on the media to do in my youth, 40 years ago, but they have proven themselves unreliable and quite deceitful when they have motive to be. (Iraq invasion anyone?)
The Canadian government seems to be over-playing its hand, and snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This will not do anything but erode the trust in the government, which is bad for everyone.
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Here in the US, I've had my shots, and wear a mask in public. I've been dealing with Long Covid, so I take this stuff more seriously than the average person.
Our government here in the US has failed to manage its message in a coherent manner. We're told to wear masks, but far to many people here, when they do wear masks, use them as chin straps, or have their nose hanging out. People have given up, and now are just going through the motions.
Covid is endemic now, and even this failure won't push through the single payer system the US so desperately needs for its own National Security.
As for "vaccine passports"... I've heard the term, but have never had cause to deal with them.
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I miss Canada... we were there a few times before Bush got stupid and required passports. 8( Almost $600 just to get 3 passports is absurd.