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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jjulius »

YEwSdObPQT wrote: post #478
snotrockets wrote: post #293

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No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

A shock jock? Howard Stern was a shock jock. Have you ever watched Joe Rogan? He has a 3 hour conversation with a guest where he talks at lengths about pretty much anything he wants to ask them about. That isn't a shock jock!

He's a shock jock in the sense that he absolutely knows that his program fuels any kind of outrage and he leans into that in an effort to keep his name relevant.

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Post by namlem »

hnarn wrote: post #466

I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. JR sold his catalog of intellectual property (podcast episodes) of his own free will and was paid very well for it: about $100M from what I can gather. What Spotify chooses to do with it is completely up to them, even if they bought it…

I don't have a problem with this particular instance of deplatforming because podcasts are a highly competitive space that relies mostly on RSS still. However, "free markets" according to the original definition meant free not only from state control, but from private monopolistic rent-seeking as well. In cases where one platform is especially dominant, it's not really a free market, and in those cases, it is justified to be worried about censorship.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jjulius »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #618
snotrockets wrote: post #293

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No, this is not how you do “open research”. He’s a shock jock ffs. A good one, maybe, but not Woodward or Bernstein.

I don't understand how people can accuse Joe Rogan to be a shock jock. I don't listen to him because he is sooo mellow . Howard Stern is a shock jock, and a crass one too.

If you don't think he's aware that his show causes outrage in some form or another, and that he intentionally leans into that aspect in order to keep his profile high and the money flowing, akin to a shock jock, then I dunno what to tell you.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by jjice »

My opinion isn't even based on all the JRE stuff with Spotify recently, I just don't like Spotify anymore. I use it every day, but only because it's the best I have. The UI changes at least a bit every single quarter, and if I have a weak connection, but my songs are downloaded, I still can't access them. I have to disconnect from any network and then I can access my *downloaded* music. It's slow on my cheap, but recent Android phone, all for an app that plays music. On my old phone, it just stopped working. It was two years old. They finally added lyrics back, but about 4 or 5 years ago, they had lyrics and removed them, saying they'd be back soon, but didn't communicate anything about it. They soon removed the button that said it would be back soon.

So many artists I listen to don't have a legitimate way to purchase their music, so moving to completely owned music is difficult (this would be optimal for me). Even if I was able to make that move, finding new music would be a lot more difficult. I will say that Spotify is 100% responsible for the new music I find, which it does do a good job at.

The problem is that the Spotify alternatives are even worse than Spotify. I really do think it is the best I have, but god damn do I dislike a lot about it.

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Post by CipherThrowaway »

Strom wrote: post #565
donmcronald wrote: post #399

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> Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. What kind of research does he do? I've never seen more than the odd clip, but I was under the impression he's just like all other entertainers that interview guests and engage in fairly shallow conversation about various topics. A lot of people I know would tell you they didn't feel really competent in their (professional) field until…

> why do you think some people trust celebrities like Rogan over a medical expert like Fauci or, literally, the creators of vaccines? You seem to be somewhat misinformed. It's not what Joe Rogan says that is under fire, it's what his guests say. Rogan mostly says stuff like "wow" and lets his guests speak. To make things even more interesting, this latest drama is because he had Robert Malone [1] as a guest on his sh…

Your comment and the one you linked exhibit a pattern I have noticed among people who mistake infotainment for science. There is no attention paid to the actual claims, their veracity or scientific validity. Instead there is an exclusive focus on individual personalities, appeals to authority and storytelling. It's the brave mRNA pioneer-cum-renegade standing up to the establishment like a modern Galileo. He could be saying the Earth is flat and it wouldn't matter.

But the distinguishing feature of great scientific figures who challenged the establishment and overturned accepted wisdom is that they were actually right. Semmelweis was right about hand washing. Galileo and Copernicus were right about heliocentrism. So is Malone right that athletes are dropping dead in droves from vaccination? That vaccines might actually make COVID-19 infections worse? That vaccine safety research is false and that the spike protein is highly toxic? Do you personally believe these things?

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Post by jjulius »

buzzwords wrote: post #420

Open Web is truly dead. It's such a shame too. Learning other people's view, even if you don't agree with them is an important part growing. I have to say, I am quite resentful of people now. Because there was such amazing tool that you could learn other people's view and thoughts and a handful of loud mouths killed it.

We can easily find these deleted episodes hosted elsewhere on the web. Legally? Maybe not, but they're still out there on the open web, and so are similar views and statements to those that Spotify opted not to host.

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Post by inglor_cz »

bwartledorp wrote: post #603
uejfiweun wrote: post #594

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I support the right of the company to do what they want, but that doesn't prohibit me from disagreeing with how the exercise that right. I just think their decision to cancel Rogan is ethically and morally wrong, my issue is not with the legality of the move.

So, “canceling” means continuing to afford the canceled party a platform now? I thought you folks were concerned/concern trolling regarding tech deplatforming people wholesale, which is something Spotify has pointedly not done here. If HN flags a single comment I made, am I canceled? What do I do, join Gab for this indignity? Write a polemic about how my rights to use someone else’s platform to share thoughts they do…

Not the OP, but a world in which IT giants do delete speech they don't like might be the same world in which the actual horrors such as starvation, violence or civil wars do not get enough attention because a discreet request from the implicated government is enough to take the incriminating content down.

Look, for example, at the way that the Indian government used to strong-arm Twitter into obedience.

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Post by kpennell »

jjice wrote: post #885

My opinion isn't even based on all the JRE stuff with Spotify recently, I just don't like Spotify anymore. I use it every day, but only because it's the best I have. The UI changes at least a bit every single quarter, and if I have a weak connection, but my songs are downloaded, I still can't access them. I have to disconnect from any network and then I can access my *downloaded* music. It's slow on my cheap, but rec…

Tons of artists put their music for sale on Bandcamp and make 90% of the sale (very high compared to itunes, amazon, etc.)

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Post by edgyquant »

asabjorn wrote: post #807
klagermkii wrote: post #581

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> I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. I don't think this is some irreconcilable gotcha. I support the free market as a tool when it delivers on the benefits that it can provide. Those are increasing choice and decreasing costs through increased competition and commoditiz…

In this case your argument has great supporting points as this is driven by blackstone&blackrock capital funds using their assets, music and stock, to do culture war to force Spotify to suppress viewpoints these fund managers find inconvenient for their agenda. That’s not free market. https://youtu.be/tLwVvtL4mTI These funds subscribe to and push a China style system in the USA, as evidenced by their leading role in…

You don’t seem to understand what a free market is. It isn’t without rules it just means the barrier to entry is even for all.
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