My worry is that they are not thinking about how many ways this can go wrong. There are already iPhone apps that allows you to put on avatar and meet people in a 3D virtual world. According to DoJ these apps are haven for pedophiles. Nothing good happens in these apps. People with severe mental issues show up, try to hit up others and eventually end up destructing real lives. Initially, everything looks safe because it's all virtual, anonymous and no body is touching you but that sense of safety goes away very fast as you meet wierdos and divulge more and more information. Some of these apps have rules like no nudity but people finds out various ways to be provocative even more than if they were nude. As things are "virtual" everybody wants to push towards extremes of everything. These apps are places worse than Medusa's head.
Facebook Renames to Meta
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#882The rebrand was introduced as a "One More Thing" during the event keynote. A 2007 "One More Thing" was the announcement of the iPhone and the future of mobile computing. Now a 2021 "One More Thing" is the announcement of a company rebrand to avoid government regulation.
Still a faceless corporation though.
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I agree that Facebook and Zuch can't be that stupid. But for me, I can't see this working. There is no VR game that really killed it. I also don't see which generation would actually be into this. So it's not a "idiots!", but more of a "what am I missing here?". Will be interesting to see this play out
> I also don't see which generation would actually be into this. Roblox has more than 200 million daily active users; 67% of them are under 16 [1]. Where will they go when hormones hit and blocky avatars no longer seem all that compelling? [1] https://backlinko.com/roblox-users
My kid plays Roblox. We have all kinds of devices here: xbox, Pc, tablet and mobile phones. Guess where he plays it on... yeah, on his mobile phone.
And how he communicates with his friends, no video, no calls, but just chat text.
I honestly don't see this generation move to intense communication/experience, when they now prefer the most casual tech.
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Are you sure you aren't living in a techie bubble? Oculus consistently tops the best selling headsets list at amazon cnet, PCMag, etc.. The only non-developers I know with headsets all have Oculus or more rarely PSVR. Maybe they aren't cutting edge, but everyday people can't afford cutting edge anyway. They burned a lot of developer cred. by going back on the promise not to require Facebook login with Oculus, but the…
I think he's talking about the weird VR meeting software with cartoon avatars, not the hardware itself. The Oculus is great, but the way it's actually used today (games/social VR chat mostly) is still pretty niche. Facebook is really pushing this new metaverse use case that blends VR with work/meetings/etc. I personally think it's a non-starter, they seem to be trying extremely hard to manufacture a trend, rather tha…
I got my open source WebXR app running pretty well on the Quest browser. I honestly think that WebXR is going to be the metaverse especially with seamlessly walking between worlds.
https://vox.run if you want to check it out. Supports any WebXR browser and the dev tools are built in.
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I thought the market has repeatedly shown there isn't much demand for persistent virtual worlds?
> the market has repeatedly shown there isn't much demand for persistent virtual worlds I don't know if you have a more narrow view of this idea or specifically mean VR/AR, but that just sounds like what massively multiplayer online (MMO) games such as Ultima Online, Everquest, and World of Warcraft are. I think Roblox is even a broader use case, though I am fairly unfamiliar with that. MMOs have been very viable fro…
Hey I’m a MMO dev vet, they’re not viable as the unique aspects were adopted widely by the industry.
You’re going to see more games like Genshin Impact and the phantasy star online update. Open world multiplayer games without the massively part.
Roblox largely is the modern source mod scene but monetized.
Re: Facebook Renames to Meta
#886There are countless discussions on HN and elsewhere about the "evils" of Facebook, Google or corporation X. But people who talk about these "evils" are in minority.
The general public finds the products of Google, Facebook and corporation X as being convenient, not evil.
There are many alternative social networks, search engines, chat apps, operating systems which for some reason don't have so much success. If they don't start being more convenient and more tempting to the public, we are still stuck with the products of "evil" corporations.
The governments of the world won't do anything to change the situation so the situation will only change if alternative products become more desirable by the public.
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#887Mark thinks hes James Halliday
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Could you flesh out the "federation doesn't scale" argument a bit?
https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/ > So while it’s nice that I’m able to host my own email, that’s also the reason why my email isn’t end-to-end encrypted, and probably never will be. By contrast, WhatsApp was able to introduce end-to-end encryption to over a billion users with a single software update. So long as federation means stasis while centralization means movement, federated protocols are going…
If Google required end to end encryption else people's messages go to spam, email administrators would go and update their systems.
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VRChat seems to have landed on something close to the right balance of whatever it takes to make it happen. It's apparently easy enough for someone to make a whole meme world for an event in the news in time for it to be relevant: https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2020/11/9/21557029/four-season... The video in the initial tweet is up to 2.1 million views: https://twitter.com/thecoopertom/status/1325710953305026560?... VR…
Facebook will try to buy VRChat.
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#890My worry is that they are not thinking about how many ways this can go wrong. There are already iPhone apps that allows you to put on avatar and meet people in a 3D virtual world. According to DoJ these apps are haven for pedophiles. Nothing good happens in these apps. People with severe mental issues show up, try to hit up others and eventually end up destructing real lives. Initially, everything looks safe because…
According to DoJ these apps are haven for pedophiles. Nothing good happens in these apps.
People said the same about the internet itself, then social media, then tinder, then tiktok.
Honestly, people and government just put "haven for pedo's" on everything they don't like.