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Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by elSidCampeador »

Joeri wrote: post #546
chrisBob wrote: post #235

I have been waiting on this announcement to buy a new Mac, but now that they are out, I don't think I will buy one. The prices are 2x a Macbook Air, but the utility for me doesn't match. If the 14" was closer to the previous 13" MBP price of $1500 I would be ordering one now, but I will be getting a Macbook Air instead. Note to Veterans: Apple gives a 10% Veterans discount on everything, including the refurbished sto…

It was obvious for me when apple released the m1 13 inch pro next to the air that the 14 inch would land at the higher price point. That’s why I immediately bought the air. If I were buying a new macbook today, I would be tempted by the 14 inch pro but I would probably still buy the m1 air. The air is still a very nice laptop. It is really fast, faster than the 9600K in my imac. And it has a beautiful screen with ric…

Same - I am quite glad I went for the Air

Re: MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch

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Post by metabagel »

zmmmmm wrote: post #738
sergioisidoro wrote: post #412

A fair warning to developers: You're getting into an adventure with M1. From docker images not built for M1 with segmentation faults on qemu (eg. Liquibase for spring developers), to _significant_ troubles trying to make React native apps build with the M1 and XCode. Don't get me wrong, I have a Macbook air M1 and I love it, but it hasn't been a love without pain. Also, the magsafe feels like it comes too late. Almos…

I'm curious about the docker image situation. I had thought that the M1 could natively emulate x86 instructions. So why then can you not run the native x86 docker images? Is it a virtualisation issue?

Apparently, it does work in most cases, but aarch64 images have better performance and are more stable.

https://docs.docker.com/desktop/mac/apple-silicon/

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Post by krrrh »

spuz wrote: post #660
petercooper wrote: post #473

I don't plan to go back to MagSafe. I have multiport USB-C chargers all round my house and don't really want to buy lots of cables or proprietary chargers to add to the mix. I'm sticking with USB-C even if it's slower. SD cards I don't use. And HDMI I rarely use so dongles are fine, but it's nice to have I guess!

If I chose to buy the 14" model which comes with a 96W USB-C power adapter, does anyone who has experience of Apple products know if I could still use my existing 65W usb charger to power or charge the MacBook? My Dell XPS 15 does allow me to charge it with a 65W USB-C charger which is nice when I don't want to lug around the beefy 130W power adapter but I do have to be careful not to stress the CPU too much or it wi…

My 2016 MacBook Pro came with an 87W charger and I always run it off a monitor that supplies 60W over thunderbolt and it never drains. I used to mostly run it off a 45W charger and would only see it slowly drain if I was really pushing it with compiles.

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Post by throw03172019 »

shantara wrote: post #9

Everything they’ve said about the new MacBook Pros is extremely promising, but they had to add a notch to the screen. Just why? All for the sake of reducing the top screen border by a couple of millimeters.

It sits where the menu bar is anyway. Similar to the status bar on iOS.

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Post by phendrenad2 »

ksec wrote: post #118

HDMI, SD Card, and MagSafe. Things people on the internet inclusive but not limited to HN said they will never come back because the future is USB-C. Now I just want to know if the new keyboard has more key travel distance back to the like of MacBook Pro 2015. In case anyone wants to know the thickness difference. MacBook Pro 13" 2015 - 1.8 cm MacBook Pro 13" 2016 - 1.49 / 1.55 cm MacBook Pro 14" / 16" 2021 - 1.55 /…

IIRC most people on HN lamented the passing of magsafe. A lot of people did defend thunderbolt though. Guess they weren't heavy users of that god-awful plug form factor (it always stopped providing a good connection after about 100 pluggings).

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Post by manmal »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #479

Priced out the one I would buy and it is $4300. Seems the value isn't quite there. Hard to say though without playing with it for a while. So clearly I need to go back to work for some tech company that will buy one for me :-). It is more interesting to me to reflect on the comments from about 5 years ago that "ARM will never be in laptops, its a 'phone' processor." That statement was both true and ignored the realit…

> Seems the value isn't quite there

Looks like you are not in the target audience for those machines. The value is absolutely there if you need the CPU to do as much work as possible. As someone who spends a big chunk of my day compiling, a speedup by x2 means I need to wait half as long. And it won’t even toast my lap. The 1K nits screen means I can finally work outside in summer. This is _exactly_ the machine the disgruntled ecosystem has been calling for, for at least 5 years now.

While the 5nm process will certainly yield good AMD CPUs, the iOS/macOS optimizations built into Apple Silicon are hard to match for general-purpose CPUs. And the GPU story looks bad for Nvidia - the Max 32 core GPU uses half the power envelope for almost the same output as the mobile RTX 3080. And afaik the 3080 is already produced on 7nm, so there will be some engineering to do to get there.

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Post by nfoz »

asdff wrote: post #616
cocoggu wrote: post #73

I know it will be an unpopular opinion here, but bringing back the HDMI and SD card port is making the macbook much thicker and will eat up some space than can be used by battery instead, all that for ports I will never use. I wish there was another option without these ports.

The 16" is already built to maximum battery capacity by law

Some laptops have two batteries, one of which can be hot-swapped or removed and charged while the other keeps running in the meantime. Would love to see that on Macbooks and could be a fair compromise for the airplane problem, though obviously it will not happen. (The battery was user-removable on early Macbooks but that was long ago)

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Post by harshitaneja »

sergioisidoro wrote: post #412

A fair warning to developers: You're getting into an adventure with M1. From docker images not built for M1 with segmentation faults on qemu (eg. Liquibase for spring developers), to _significant_ troubles trying to make React native apps build with the M1 and XCode. Don't get me wrong, I have a Macbook air M1 and I love it, but it hasn't been a love without pain. Also, the magsafe feels like it comes too late. Almos…

React native issue is resolved in the 0.66[1] finally. It was walking on egg shells dealing with a weird combination of rosetta and arm configs. I have not faced docker issues except in the first few months but maybe that's just our workflow where we already had aws graviton instances.

[1] https://reactnative.dev/blog/2021/10/01/version-066#better-s...

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