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Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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S3 is an ACPI concept, not a hardware one.

https://www.reddit.com/r/System76/comments/k7xrtz/comment/ge...

This sounds like they aren't working on their own ACPI implementation, and are at the mercy of whoever is providing it (motherboard or bios vendor? intel?). Hence conflating hw and firmware and not using precise terminology. Elsewhere in comments here it's claimed that eg Lenovo implemented S3 on these CPUs.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…

Windows update is one of the things that don't show up with powercfg, as far as I can recall. My desktop used to wake itself up all the time to update and in addition to hunting down all the devices, there was a scheduled task for Office updates that I had to disable. It would wake the computer up and then Windows updates would install because the computer was awake at the scheduled time, giving me the false impressi…

yeah, Windows Update is a scheduled task, so look in there to see if it is allowed to wake the PC from sleep.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Linux has reliable sleep on many more laptop models than mac os. But the rule is that you need to buy known good hardware that supports Linux to have a frictionless experience. (Yes this means you often have to buy something that's been on the market for a bit of time already.) Anecdotally I've had less sleep problems than mac-using coworkers, over a long time and many laptops.

> you need to buy known good hardware What is this "known good hardware"? I was thinking of somehow getting my hands on the FrameWork laptop since everyone and their mother keep singing praises about it but going through its forums makes it clear that it also doesn't do suspend and resume reliably. I've already seen plenty of people reporting that their AMD laptops don't do suspend resume and break with every new ker…

In my experience, "known good hardware" is ">2-year-old hardware" when it comes to Linux.

But, I'm a bit cheap, and I treat optimizing older tech as a challenge, so I think I've just declared myself both an outlier in general and a stereotypical Linux user.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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It is not from this thread, but my experience over the last 15 to 20 years. I have seen lots and lots of people, including myself, close MacBook lids, toss it in a bag, and start walking. But I do not see that with non MacBooks. It was so notable to me that it led me to decide to look into switching to MacBook Airs.

And you believe your experience is statistically significant.

n=1, but we still weight it x20 because we have the most data on it.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I really wonder what still drives people to Dell? Their products looks marvelous on the tech sheet, and that's also where the marvel ends. In my current career I've yet to touch a Dell laptop that doesn't try to melt itself by simply turning on, or fails to respond to touching the power button. It's as if the operation of the Power Button is a schrodinger cat. Any corporation that is operating exclusively on Dell I d…

Dell XPS is marvelous. Keep it with hands and type on is so pleasureful. It is not superior in tech sense, but it is so cute.

Given concrete problem, looks like it is for all new notebooks and/or OS: I have same issue with HP ProBook 640G8 + Linux.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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> you need to buy known good hardware What is this "known good hardware"? I was thinking of somehow getting my hands on the FrameWork laptop since everyone and their mother keep singing praises about it but going through its forums makes it clear that it also doesn't do suspend and resume reliably. I've already seen plenty of people reporting that their AMD laptops don't do suspend resume and break with every new ker…

In my experience, "known good hardware" is ">2-year-old hardware" when it comes to Linux. But, I'm a bit cheap, and I treat optimizing older tech as a challenge, so I think I've just declared myself both an outlier in general and a stereotypical Linux user.

My AMD Thinkpad was released a little over 2 years ago and it still has serious flaws. And if the AMD gitlab bug tracker and bug reports on forums are anything to go by, I'm not optimistic about those flaws going away in the future.

I have no idea if the situation is just as bad on Intel.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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Weird, my udm pro goes months with no issues.. current uptime of most UniFi devices on my network is over 70 days right now. I’d say contact support because it shouldn’t so that, but their support isn’t great

Same here - My UDM Pro is over 90 days uptime, and that last reboot was only because I did an upgrade. I have heard of some people having problems, but mine has been flawless so far.

I've ordered a UPS and I guess I'll see if that's the issue.

I use a lot of fans in my house to circulate air, and when someone uses the microwave, half of the fans slow down, and half speed up significantly. no idea how half could speed up, but they do. so, something is up with something, somewhere.

I expect this UPS to beep a lot.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#888

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check the tasks in Task Scheduler, too. those can also wake a PC from sleep.

I wish that were true! I'd love to know how to do that one too since back in Windows 7 Foobar2k was able to wake my PC from sleep and play my music as an alarm, and this functionality has not worked for me since then.

For a device to be able to wake a Windows system, it has to be allowed both in the BIOS and also in Windows's device manager (In the "power management" tab on a device, the checkbox on "Allow this device to wake the computer" has to be set/unset). It is available only on certain classes of devices.

Also what you are referring to as an application's capability (Foobar...) to wake a computer (from sleep or hibernation only) it most probably has to do with setting an RTC (real-time clock) alarm and the computer being allowed to resume from such an event. Again this is also a setting which can be disabled in most BIOS configurations and yours probably is. By the way, Windows' task scheduler exposes this option to everyone so you can set your computer to wake up and run some script and then sleep again (I used to do this all the time ages ago for night downloads, etc.)

So, there are a series of switches (in BIOS and in windows device manager) that all have to be set/unset, for a computer to resume from some event;

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

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I have a Dell 9570,three years old, and the problem is infuriating. I forgot about this and got home just last week to find my laptop was about a million degrees.

This is my third XPS laptop - my first two were two of the best computers I've ever owned.

This one has put me off Dell completely.

Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag

#890
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Got one from them now. But not a Linux pre-installed model, sadly.

Even a total Linux noob like myself (never touched it in my life) that installed his last OS like over a decade ago got Ubuntu on a X1E Gen 2 in around 30 minutes. No issues, Windows stays for the odd things that don't work under Linux (some Steam games, mostly...).

I'm running linux for a while now (20y+). I got it to work well on the Yoga7 Slim, but it required some tweaking (which I dont mind).

X and T lines seem to do better with linux out of the box.

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