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>latter days of the USSR Is it better to prolong the perverse, decadent rule of the senators and consuls or to embrace Clovis? Hit ‘em with your Coriolanus swag.
I'm familiar with Clovis (the Frankish king) and Coriolanus (the Shakespearean Roman), but I don't follow the connection you're trying to draw
Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate
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I think one solution could be to vote in a faceless/anonymous type candidate that simply provides the context/details up for any vote, then votes based on the outcome of a live poll from their constituents. There would be several tech challenges, but it could provide a more pure form of the people’s will.
You may want to check out the Flux party, they've been around for a number of years now: https://voteflux.org/about/faq/
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China, the most populous country on Earth, has no community transmission. I don't know what went wrong in Mongolia, because I haven't been following that country, but China and New Zealand have demonstrated that with a good public health system, elimination is possible and sustainable.
China also didn't have official community transmission in December 2019 yet we were seeing people coming out of airplanes sick constantly, which allowed us to calculate their infection rates, which were then released publicly when they couldn't be hid any longer. Today there are no flights out of China and we have to trust the same government when they say they have no transmissions. Need I point to the centuries lon…
No, this did not happen. Infection rates weren't calculated until January 2020. Nobody even knew there was anything like SARS spreading in Wuhan until 27 December 2019.
Within 72 hours of the first test result indicating a SARS-like virus, it was all over Chinese social media, and even CCTV reported on the outbreak. And of course, it only took a few weeks afterwards for the hospitals to become overloaded with sick patients.
> Today there are no flights out of China
This is simply untrue. Just to take one example, yesterday alone, there were 9 flights from Shanghai Pudong Airport to LAX.
The situation in China right now is obvious: the virus is gone. Just ask any of your friends/colleagues who live there.
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There's no magic number, but CoVID-19 is the most serious public health emergency in probably a century. > we need to close everything for years on end? Countries that properly managed the pandemic locked down hard for a few weeks, eliminated the virus, and then reopened. They've been back to normal (or something close to it) for most of the time since.
> There's no magic number, but CoVID-19 is the most serious public health emergency in probably a century. Do you know what AIDS is? Unlike Covid which kills something under 1 in 100 people it infects AIDS until the mid 90s was a death sentence for anyone who got it. I remember being in an emergency room and the nurse asking for people to give blood because their blood banks were tainted and the doctors could either…
What kind of a question is that? It's a horrible disease, and it shows how important it is to have a good public health system.
> Countries that don't have it keep having to lock down for two weeks every three months.
China hasn't had a widespread lockdown since early 2020. In recent outbreaks, lockdowns have been very geographically limited. For example, the Guangzhou outbreak in May-June 2021 was ended without locking down more than just a few districts of the city. Mass testing, contact tracing, and testing requirements for people leaving the city were sufficient.
Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate
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I just did a quick look, searching (without quotes) "Australia permission to leave" on DDG. It looks to me like you're conflating emergency restrictions for COVID [0] with something like the exit visas that the former USSR used and Russia still uses. There are a great many people dying in the US at this very moment who were making this same sort of argument, right up until they caught COVID and ended up on ventilator…
The question is then: Why is that an emergency COVID restriction in the first place. I seriously do not understand where the logic is here. I can understand restricting travel in, but why restrict travel out? In my mind there is no reason why someone LEAVING your country might be a health concern. But hey we're talking about the folks that thought the logical solution to prevent people from spreading COVID at dog she…
I think I get it: Nations can restrict the liberties of their citizens, and monitor compliance with these restrictions -- impose pandemic-related social distancing or mask usage, sanction you for murder or theft or indecent exposure, etc etc -- on their own soil. Abroad, they cannot -- at least nowhere near as easily -- monitor you. So while they can restrict your liberties in the country, one liberty most nations find it very hard to deny their citizens is entry into the country. After all, WTF is the worth, the meaning, of being "a citizen" of a country if it won't even let you in? (cf Wolf Biermann.)
Put those two together, and the logic becomes obvious: If you let people out, you gotta let them back in. But you can't know where they've been and what they've done and with whom, so you have no idea whether they're infected or not. So you'll have to i) take their word for it; ii) investigate, at great effort, cost, and risk of inaccuracy; iii) put them all in quarantine, with the inevitable screeching about liberties infringed upon... Or just not let them out in the first place, avoiding the problem of having to let them back in altogether.
I'd even say their reasoning (as I interpret it) is legally, on the balance, somewhat sound: Once one of your citizens shows up at the border, at least metaphorically still outside it (although in Australia's case in practice of course on their soil already), they're only asking one thing: To be let in. And precisely because that's just one simple ask, and such a basic civic right, it's damn hard to deny them that. Within the country, though, within its jurisdiction, the state already is generally accepted to be within its rights to (sometimes drastically) limit the liberties of the citizenry. Like, hey, during this pandemic many countries have at times forbidden their citizens to leave their homes. So what's all that much worse about temporarily forbidding them to leave the country?
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I have no idea how Australia handles this, but in the U.S., the process of discovery is what is supposed to keep the police from just planting evidence. Prosecution needs to present all evidence that will be used against you, including exactly where it came from and chain of custody. If they can't, it gets thrown out. The only exception is they can't be compelled to give away the identity of confidential informants.…
Indeed, I have no issue with the police having the power to read whatever data a warrant grants. My problem is the linked page says: > A DATA DISRUPTION WARRANT enables the agencies to “add, copy, delete or alter” data on devices. Copy is fine, it’s the other three which are scary. Perhaps they shouldn’t be scary, perhaps they have well-defined meanings in law I’m just not familiar with (like how “Hacker News” has no…
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To men.
I see your point and how the language has been masculinized but the meaning still stands as of now.. until the next changes take place. Language is evolving and these will inevitably change as well at some point.
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The idea that ‘men’ is a universal stand-in for people is no different than saying White is the universal stand-in for people.
Nope. White has never had that meaning at all. Please look into the etymology of a word before making whimsical arguments. You’ll have an awful time with Chinese where words have many different meanings depending on context.
Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate
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On a lot of things, universal health care, how strongly they are in favor of nuclear disarmament, gun control, etc. Remember President Biden is the head of the Democratic Party, And the US itself has been pushed further to the right by a conservative dominated supreme court. Here's the 2021 Labor party platform https://alp.org.au/media/2594/2021-alp-national-platform-fin... Here's the 2020 Democratic Party platform h…
Okay, so there's 249 pages of policy to read and then correlate, which is a bit beyond me. > ... universal health care, how strongly they are in favor of nuclear disarmament, gun control, etc As I understand it, US Democrats are keen on those three, and in Australia, we've already embraced all of those. Are you suggesting there's a policy mis-match, or that one of the two groups leans even more strongly towards these…
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And any reservation where the tribal council votes to go dry, the Federal government will enforce it. (Well, to the extent that it will, you know, actually spend the money to have BIA police officers assigned to that Rez.)
Is that enforcement a positive thing or not?