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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by _ea1k »

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #577
leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

> No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. I agree- this is really going to be a big deal, especially with how large the F-150 EV battery is (150kWh). For comparison, the Chevrolet Bolt hatchback has a 66KWh battery with a similar range as the F-150, which makes sense, because the Bolt is much lighter and aerodynamic. The vast majority of public charging stations in the US ("Level 2") max…

Honestly, Electrify America has caught up to where Tesla was about 2-3 years ago. That really isn't a bad place to be for much of the country. The biggest issue will be that many of their sites are smaller. They are going to get crowded fast!

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by vb6sp6 »

blueprint wrote: post #860
aaroninsf wrote: post #665

Hot take: this, as some like Ars Technica have observed, stands a decent chance of being a real game changer. Everything about this vehicle launch appears masterful, from its technology to its branding to the obvious care taken to ensure that in almost every respect it is so superior, and offers so many no-brainers, as to make anyone who can (both individuals and especially, fleet managers), buy these as fast they ca…

> The biggest by far IMO is its ability to power high voltage high draw tools at the jobsite. The hybrid F-150 could already do that.

Not for 40k

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by baybal2 »

I give respect to Ford as one of very few American car makers who managed to survive in foreign markets.

The prime majority of "fall apart as you drive" cars been wiped off the market outside of America.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by unethical_ban »

jszymborski wrote: post #818
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #795

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single near-miss I've had while walking in Minneapolis has been due to the driver not paying attention. There wasn't a single time it was due to lack of visibility from inside the vehicle. My yelling at one driver who was staring at her phone while driving out of a parking ramp and across the sidewalk where she nearly hit me, probably woke her up enough to avoid driving into traffic and being hit by a bus! No,…

The gp was simply stating that being struck by a truck is more lethal than a car due to their flat, tall fronts. They weren't, by my reading, insinuating that trucks are more likely to hit people. That is indeed, in my opinion, a function of operator error all things equal.

The GP said also, " The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front." to which your parent responded.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by unethical_ban »

aazaa wrote: post #560

I think it's interesting to look at this through the lens of Christensen's disruptive innovation idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator%27s_Dilemma The move by Ford offers strong evidence that electric vehicles at this point have become a sustaining, not disruptive innovation. Incumbents like Ford can now compete using existing business models and possibly manufacturing practices/equipment. EV companies li…

This seems like an awful take. Ford starting to catch up to Tesla doesn't doom Tesla. They're massively overvalued, but IIRC they're somewhat financially stable, have a huge fanbase, still have high order demand, and still have an edge against all competitors in their field.

I just don't agree with the theory.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by unethical_ban »

jaywalk wrote: post #305
intrepidhero wrote: post #122

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Is anybody selling conversion kits to replace touch screen controls with physical or is that too hard/niche?

How could you possibly cram everything that's controlled via the touchscreen into physical controls?

It isn't to say "All menu items are strictly button based" like the space shuttle or something. It means that the screen will not be touch-based.

This often means a large knob that one can turn, use as a joystick (up down left right) and push in for selection. This knob is used for navigating the majority of the console. There are some unique buttons and knobs for things like volume, climate, etc.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by galkk »

hoffspot wrote: post #668

For those wondering why some people move to trucks as a commuter vehicle, I moved to a 4 door Tacoma because I don't fit in cars. I'm 6'1' with a highly athletic, broad shoulder based build. I tried all kinds of cars in 2015 looking for one that was easy to get in an out of, had comfortable seating where my head didn't hit the roof, and I wasn't squashed in there like airplane seating. Good luck.

I doubt it, sorry.

I'm 6'2, overweight, prefer to have seat in the highest position and fit my Subaru Forester with full comfort.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aynyc »

bhauer wrote: post #826
aynyc wrote: post #639

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Wow, Ford is hitting the commercial market before Tesla did!

I think Tesla's strategy is to start with the total battery supply and allocate batteries to vehicles with sufficiently high margin that they can scale as quickly as possible. They delayed refreshing the X and S for a long time, I believe, in part because these two models are low-volume and therefore don't warrant a high allocation of battery supply and manufacturing floor space. Why refresh them now, then? I think t…

That makes total sense! I'm just surprised they didn't focus on commercial market after 3, especially commercial spaces, range is usually not an issue. Work trucks and vans don't need a lot of ranges.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jrsj »

auiya wrote: post #742
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Practical?! Have you ever tried loading heavy objects into a truck bed that's 4.5 feet off the ground? There's literally no utilitarian use for them at this point even in agricultural settings, much less the urban and suburban landscapes where they typically plague. What ever happened to the small truck? Much easier to load, much less of a road hazard/nuisance. For me it's the increasingly large size of all trucks wh…

Yes but I’m 6’3” so it’s not particularly difficult for me. And mine is from 2012 & I don’t think it’s quite that high off the ground. I see trucks that are lifted significantly far less often than I see midsize trucks (& obviously full size that are similar to the height of my own)

That being said they are generally unnecessarily large now & at this point midsize trucks are more than capable enough for most people. I think they mainly buy full size trucks for roomier cabs and more luxury features at this point

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by elihu »

toast0 wrote: post #777
CalRobert wrote: post #744

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax worth a read. "The tariff affected any country (such as Japan) seeking to bring light trucks into the U.S. and effectively "squeezed smaller Asian truck companies out of the American pickup market."[16] Over the intervening years, Detroit lobbied to protect the light-truck tariff, thereby reducing pressure on Detroit to introduce vehicles that polluted less and that offered i…

How effective was this at anything other than making loopholes big enough to drive a truck through, and eventually getting assembly moved to NAFTA countries? Having a 40 mpg target for a small truck and a 25 mpg target for a big truck makes it pretty hard to build and sell a small truck.

Hmm, that's interesting. If manufacturers have been basically locked out of making small pickup trucks due to unattainable fuel efficiency requirements [1, 2], an implication of that is that as EVs become easier to make at reasonable cost, there's a potentially huge untapped market that could be filled by whoever is the first company to make a small, simple, and cheap electric pickup truck.

A modern version of, say, a Datsun 620 [3] or an 80's Ford Ranger [4] could be pretty popular. One might even be able to circumvent the chicken tax by importing the body/frame of a foreign-made truck and building an electric drive train in the U.S. or NAFTA country.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_average_fuel_economy...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datsun_Truck#/media/File:Datsu...

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Ranger#/media/File:1st-Fo...

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