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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

newacct583 wrote: post #838
ErikVandeWater wrote: post #370

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Do you have evidence that more violent activity was planned on Parler than Facebook or Twitter, or even a disproportionate amount? Edit: I suppose not.

Lin Wood called for Pence to be executed. This got shared a ton (like tens of thousands of times). A few days later there was a mob in the capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence!". Lin Wood didn't say that on Twitter, because he had been previously banned on Twitter for similar rhetoric. Not sure about his status on Facebook, but Parler was absolutely where this stuff was happening. The denial here is just wild. Like... t…

"Hang Mike Pence" was trending on Twitter.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by jandrese »

pelasaco wrote: post #804
tda wrote: post #685

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His statements are not backed by any evidence, so I don't know what to make of them. Nonetheless an interesting opinion by someone that has done some great things that certainly tickeled my curiosity, +1

I'm not really following the issue, but there is any evidence of the people involved in the Capitol invasion being active users on Parler?

As far as I know there is no direct connection yet between anybody arrested for the insurrection and Parler. There is also no direct evidence that they did not. However, it is extremely unlikely that none of them use it.

The people who planned the Jan 6 coup attempt used Parler. So the only way this happens is if they spend months planning the assault but then don't show up for it and a completely different set of people just happen to follow the plan by accident. This includes stuff like preparing and bringing molotov cocktails, pipe bombs, handcuffs, and flying across the country to participate.

https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tall...

https://www.propublica.org/article/capitol-rioters-planned-f...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

saagarjha wrote: post #866
mkl wrote: post #736

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HN doesn't start users shadow banned - just look for the green new-account usernames. Your account didn't start shadow banned either. Here's your first comment, visible to all: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25410162 New accounts are more likely to get shadow banned, especially if they post many comments with links or post inflammatory remarks.

Hacker News does start off many people with a shadowban–I know because I have vouched for many of these initial comments.

I believe that happens when HN suspects the account is from a person who was banned previously, based on IP's and/or some other heuristic. I've seen dang say something like "If you create new accounts to break the guidelines, eventually we just start banning your new accounts."

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by greedo »

matt-attack wrote: post #741
greedo wrote: post #614

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Free speech has always had limits...

Well maybe in the eyes of US law, but what that's not a given for, well, me or perhaps others on HN. Take "the US highway network" for example. It can just as easily be used to transport black-market items, child porn, weapons, drugs, etc as it can transport ice cream bars. I support it. Tor just as easily supports drug sales as it does star-trek reviews. I support it. Can't say for sure, but I think it's hazardous t…

Oh, it's not just the US. Other countries have restrictions as well. Societal norms impose restrictions too. Unless you're an anarchist, there have always been (and probably always will) be restrictions on speech and free speech is typically meant in the domain of political speech.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Zuider »

jandrese wrote: post #867
vbezhenar wrote: post #759

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You're silenced by moderators or you're silenced by users. I don't see much difference in the end.

Have you ever considered the notion that maybe your views are unpopular? Possibly even misinformed? Maybe if everyone disagrees with something you say, it's not the rest of the world's fault? Are you Principal Skinner going "Am I so out of touch? No, it is the children who are wrong."

This can go both ways. A majority view may be held complacently without being challenged much or often. A minority view encounters constant resistance and reminders that it is not held by many, and may potentially be more robust because of that. Either way, a belief ought to be based on facts and sound reasoning rather than group pressure, and even the most strongly held position ought to be held provisionally and subject to revision in the light of human fallibility.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by drak0n1c »

thebigman433 wrote: post #750
chrisco255 wrote: post #744

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Have you ever been to /r/politics? It's a groupthink circle jerk. The difference, of course, is that /r/conservative is explicitly defined as a conservative community while /r/politics implies they are some sort of neutral community which they most certainly are not. At any rate, finding a diverse community of ideological people coming together to discuss politics with intellectual fervor is rather difficult these da…

I think the difference is that r/politics doesnt actually ban you for posting something conservative, its just the users deciding they dont like it. I dont use it either way due to their horrible link rules, but there is definitely a difference in my opinion.

Over the past 5 years r/politics has quietly banned users for thoughtful critical comments devoid of profanity (the proof has been shared elsewhere such as WatchRedditDie), and deleted inconvenient current event posts before they hit 100+ upvotes. The mods leave alone flippant casual unpersuasive conservative comments knowing they'll be downvoted and make conservatives look bad, and censor the thoughtful persuasive ones.

It hasn't been just the downvoting, but as the crowd is thinned, increasingly more bots inflate votes, and those who remain are more deeply steeped in their bias perhaps it will be mainly downvotes from here on out.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by awb »

malandrew wrote: post #839
awb wrote: post #570

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> discussing them from any angle that isn't the accepted progressive orthodoxy results in the ban hammer What are some examples of this?

No dog in this particular fight as I don't care either way but to answer your question: I've seen plenty of examples involving TERFs or questioning transgender women in women's sports where the ban hammer was brought out. Another example is being egalitarian instead of equitarian. Being strictly egalitarian gets you labeled racist pretty quickly in many online forums. Just this past week in my neighborhood Buy Nothin…

In both of the racial examples, people are attempting to correct past injustices. BIPOC people never received a court settlement for the injustices against them. Politicians left it up to citizens on how to repair the damage, so to do nothing seems far short of adequate, but it's a fair debate about how far to go.

How many black people still alive today saw signs that said "No blacks allowed" back in the 60s? I guess your neighbor saw the Buy Nothing post as basically saying "No whites allowed".

I could see the original poster's intent being "I'm sorry BIPOC that you haven't been treated as fairly as I have, and I want to help". Calling that discriminatory is a bit harsh, but I'm sure that doesn't feel good to a non-BIPOC person who's struggling and could really benefit from the item.

I think there's a concerted effort since George Floyd to understand the plight of BIPOC people and help them feel safe and respected in the community, where they at times have felt the need to be invisible to be safe.

It's like doing a fund raiser for indigenous people, trying to acknowledge that a group has been wronged and trying to help that group feel respected again.

But it's a fine line for sure. At the point it becomes an anti-white thing rather than a pro-BIPOC thing, the conditions change dramatically.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by djtriptych »

swalsh wrote: post #846
djtriptych wrote: post #348

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Yeah, yes. Look at literally any time the democracy was seriously threatened and what happened to domestic liberty during that time.

Was it okay to place Japanese in internment camps? Not going to wait for an answer, because the answer should clearly be no. Curtailing domestic liberties is not okay regardless the circumstances.

Never OK but sometimes necessary. I'm sure you can at least imagine a scenario where it's appropriate to curtail speech to save lives, e.g. taking away an enemy combatant's comms, even if they're American.

Liberty is always opposed to security. How free we are depends on how worried we are. That's always the case.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by drak0n1c »

afavour wrote: post #799
triangleman wrote: post #764

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>I would also probably buy said malicious actors a beer if I met them, accompanied by a high five. You would, would you? Thousands of individuals who by and large wanted to try out a competitor to Facebook ended up getting their personal details downloaded and leaked (and we're talking about very sensitive details here), and you're going to buy a beer for the criminals who did this? I assume before you turn them into…

> Thousands of individuals who by and large wanted to try out a competitor to Facebook That is a very, very generous take. And if that's all users were doing then their data being breached is regrettable but not world ending.

It is an appropriate take. For years Parler was shared person to person as an alternative to Facebook, and even liberals who were upset at Facebook tried it out.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by [deleted] »

djtriptych wrote: post #348
salawat wrote: post #296

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Yeahhh... No. A good half the problems in the world are created when we try to force oversized round pegs through undersized square holes. Besides which, was Parler not the site that required excessive amounts of personal info just to sign up? That means if authentication failed open, that could mean that this researcher has obtained access to reams of PII. Which they'll deny or state that of courae they didn't colle…

Yeah, yes. Look at literally any time the democracy was seriously threatened and what happened to domestic liberty during that time.

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