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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by peternicky »

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

Thank god I switched back to windows early this year. I absolutely love it and I do not foresee me returning to Apple for a considerable amount of time.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by nvrspyx »

Spivak wrote: post #874
habosa wrote: post #821

Ok so let's say you actually want Apple to do this kind of security for you (I don't, but let's say). Currently they do a synchronous check before you launch any binary. Why don't they instead just log every binary signature and check them async on some regular schedule? Strict mode could be blocking the FIRST execution of a binary signature and after that you only recheck if that signature has been revoked on some r…

This is already how it works. After the first check the result is cached and then it can verify locally.

This is how it worked. The point of the tweet and others' experience is that this is now happening for apps that have already been launched plenty of times before. This is why nothing other than Apple's programs would launch during the short time that the OCSP was down.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by skripp »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #842
intricatedetail wrote: post #765

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's hard to say who is now Apple's target audience. It seems like their products are ideal for people who don't know much about IT and just want to watch a video or edit their holiday photos and maybe create a CV and will probably never go beyond that. Other people still enjoy Macs from 2012, but things are moving on when you look at desktop PC and what you can do. Apple looks more and more dumbed down.

I understand people doing live music with it. Think about what would happen if Windows forces you to update during your performance^^ Graphic designers because the nice display... Otherwise i don't get it. I think for most other people it's a status symbol ;) I especially don't understand why IT affine people buy it. Just buy DELL, HP, Lenovo, Alienware and install linux. Gives you more bang for the buck...

Very small audiance, but people with bad vision do enjoy the good displays on their machines and the GREAT built in zoom in OSX. Zoom in Windows is a joke.

Unfortunatly Linux isn't really an option just yet for a lot of us.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #688
3131s wrote: post #580

You all seriously should have spent the last 20 years helping us make Linux better. What a waste.

Sorry, I can't and won't work for free.

It doesn't have to be any more work than you're already doing. Just stop putting cycles into working around bad decisions by people who are trying to control you and put those very same cycles into working around bad decisions by people who are trying to help you.

A couple years later, snippets of code worth sharing will be lying around. Which you can share, or not.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by submeta »

neop1x wrote: post #855
submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

Currently the workaround seems to be /etc/hosts override or firewall-level blocking. Just a small reminder that this can soon stop working: Apple's apps bypass firewalls like LittleSnitch and LuLu on macOS Big Sur - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24838816

Will they prevent changing hosts file as well?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by xxz223 »

quantgenius wrote: post #870
areoform wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Get a Thinkpad. I replaced a 2015 MacBook Pro with a Thinkpad P1 Gen2 and love it. The trackpad isn’t as nice. The keyboard is better. Running WSL2 you have a great Unixy development environment in Windows. Or just install Linux. As thin and light as a MacBook Pro. Much better thermals, though still not awesome. Other, somewhat larger Thinkpads have better thermals. You can upgrade your RAM, add 2 SSDs and other peri…

If I got a Thinkpad I'd switch to Linux. I absolutely can't stand the Windows UI.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by ho_schi »

I'm sad to see people buying things only because the look comfortable and nice. Here happens finally what was predicted a long time ago and it shows why everyone should use free and open-source operating-systems and applications.

I tried to attach the notarization to every Mac App Bundle in the past but with MacOS 11 this doesn't help either?

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by skuthus »

xxz223 wrote: post #886
quantgenius wrote: post #870

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a Thinkpad. I replaced a 2015 MacBook Pro with a Thinkpad P1 Gen2 and love it. The trackpad isn’t as nice. The keyboard is better. Running WSL2 you have a great Unixy development environment in Windows. Or just install Linux. As thin and light as a MacBook Pro. Much better thermals, though still not awesome. Other, somewhat larger Thinkpads have better thermals. You can upgrade your RAM, add 2 SSDs and other peri…

If I got a Thinkpad I'd switch to Linux. I absolutely can't stand the Windows UI.

My thinkpad works very well with linux, I recommend Zorin or Arch

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by zero_deg_kevin »

blauditore wrote: post #772

So many comments in here, but I haven't seen a single one mentioning a simple solution: Vote with your feet. For years now, I've seen a large portion of the HN crowd praising Apple for its (alleged) respect of privacy and cursing at Microsoft for Windows "calling home" all the time. Now that this has happened, the only comments I see are "heads should roll", and "we must complain and be heard by high-level execs", bu…

No there are not good alternatives.

Linux only makes sense as a desktop operating system if your top priority is telling people online that you use Linux as your desktop operating system.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by strgcmc »

peternicky wrote: post #881
pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

Thank god I switched back to windows early this year. I absolutely love it and I do not foresee me returning to Apple for a considerable amount of time.

You should know that Windows includes a similar feature (to call home and report file hashes and the user's IP for example) called SmartScreen, and with default settings it also triggers on every single application launch in the OS.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_SmartScreen#Windows

(also I should know, I worked on a tiny part of this feature in IE9 and Windows 8)

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