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Post by CaoCao »

bipson wrote: post #849
robertlagrant wrote: post #822

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does the immigration system violate human rights?

not GP, but most immigration systems violate human rights all the time by treating people as if they were people without these rights - or not people at all. Most of the time the legal leeway is based upon them not being citizens (yet). What is the path to immigration in your country? It begins with a legal dilemma: E.g. asylum is a human right, but how to determine who is eligible? In a timely manner that is. Especi…

"asylum is a human right" "determine who is eligible"

Well, if it's a human right, then everyone. But it's not, which is why you have this twisted logic.

There is no right to freely cross borders.

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Post by save_ferris »

Rochetshipz wrote: post #871
dunkelheit wrote: post #847

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Right there in the first article: > There was no immediate indication of Russian involvement in the release of emails that the Post obtained, but its general thrust mirrors a narrative that U.S. intelligence agencies have described as part of an active Russian disinformation effort aimed at the 2020 election. So the only proof that it comes from Russia is basically "that's the kind of thing the Russians would do." Ar…

Particularly, claiming Russian collusion the last time did not turn out to be true, but the Media jumped on this narrative. Let's not do it again.

This has been repeatedly debunked. Crowdstrike, who was hired for the security audit, states very explicitly that their IR team had proof that COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR had breached the network.[0]

> To reference, CrowdStrike’s account of their DNC investigation, published on June 14, 2016, “CrowdStrike Services Inc., our Incident Response group, was called by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the formal governing body for the US Democratic Party, to respond to a suspected breach. We deployed our IR team and technology and immediately identified two sophisticated adversaries on the network – COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR…. At DNC, COZY BEAR intrusion has been identified going back to summer of 2015, while FANCY BEAR separately breached the network in April 2016.”

0: https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democ...

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

CyberRabbi wrote: post #825
lozaning wrote: post #823

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Who gets to be the arbiter of "legitimate"?

Judges do when a lawsuit happens under a civil rights violation case.

Judges, who are government employees, would get to determine what speech is legitimate and what is not? No thanks, I’ll take the current system.

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Post by DSingularity »

Karunamon wrote: post #291

This was a shockingly dumb move. Whether or not you think these actions were politically motivated or made in good faith, it just poured liquid oxygen on the "reform section 230" fire you're seeing from both sides of the aisle - one using the censorship reason, the other using the disinformation reason. There's no way you don't block a newspaper, and the press secretary, and prevent anyone from even private messaging…

Companies which spend millions on counsel every year are not going to blunder. They either have anterior motives (boost the story through censorship) or they had no choice.

I don’t know what to think anymore because I don’t understand how this censorship will have any effect other than causing the story to spread like fire.

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Post by UncleMeat »

millstone wrote: post #673
frob wrote: post #66

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The New York Post is not a serious newspaper; it is a sensationalist tabloid. Sometimes the NYPost will report on real news, but I believe absolutely nothing they report until it is verified by the New York Times, Washington Post, LA Times, or other major broadcast outlet with actual journalistic standards.

Do not dismiss tabloid journalism. There's a long and happy history of Democrats being undone by lurid tabloids. Think Drudge Report breaking the (Bill) Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, or National Enquirer breaking the John Edwards affair, or NYPost breaking the Anthony Weiner sexting. This is tabloid journalism at its best. The difference is those stories had supporting details, with the reporters attempting to follow up.

Bayesian reasoning. What is the prior probability that a story that only appears in the New York Post is correct? Nonzero, but low.

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Post by vonmoltke »

Karunamon wrote: post #291

This was a shockingly dumb move. Whether or not you think these actions were politically motivated or made in good faith, it just poured liquid oxygen on the "reform section 230" fire you're seeing from both sides of the aisle - one using the censorship reason, the other using the disinformation reason. There's no way you don't block a newspaper, and the press secretary, and prevent anyone from even private messaging…

> and prevent anyone from even private messaging the link to each other

I can't find this stated anywhere except HN posts. What is the original source for this?

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Post by dahfizz »

UncleMeat wrote: post #845
dahfizz wrote: post #833

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The party that is "behind" always does well in the mid terms, this is a very well documentes phenomenon. In fact, I think the Dems did much worse in 2018 than expected

That’s not true. The 538 model was very close to the actual outcome in 2018.

By 'expected' I don't mean the models where wrong, I mean the country is on fire and the Democratic party could/should have run away with the election. Instead they lost seats in the senate and did not gain back all the ground they lost in the state governments.

For comparison, the Republicans did very well in the 2014 mid term, convincingly taking over both houses of congress.

The democratic party had every advantage for a convincing win in 2018 and they instead had a very poor showing. The party is not good at elections and I don't see a reason why we expect this election to be different.

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Post by throwawaylolx »

DSingularity wrote: post #885
Karunamon wrote: post #291

This was a shockingly dumb move. Whether or not you think these actions were politically motivated or made in good faith, it just poured liquid oxygen on the "reform section 230" fire you're seeing from both sides of the aisle - one using the censorship reason, the other using the disinformation reason. There's no way you don't block a newspaper, and the press secretary, and prevent anyone from even private messaging…

Companies which spend millions on counsel every year are not going to blunder. They either have anterior motives (boost the story through censorship) or they had no choice. I don’t know what to think anymore because I don’t understand how this censorship will have any effect other than causing the story to spread like fire.

> other than causing the story to spread like fire.

Does it really? I haven't seen anything on Reddit or the likes. Seems to me that the censorship has been rather successful so far.

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Post by TuringNYC »

jeremyjh wrote: post #436
Karunamon wrote: post #291

This was a shockingly dumb move. Whether or not you think these actions were politically motivated or made in good faith, it just poured liquid oxygen on the "reform section 230" fire you're seeing from both sides of the aisle - one using the censorship reason, the other using the disinformation reason. There's no way you don't block a newspaper, and the press secretary, and prevent anyone from even private messaging…

I agree they blundered here. They don't want to be hijacked by another "leaks" story days before the election but now the suppression of this has become the entire story, and its convinced a lot of people the story is true and dangerous to Biden. Even if the email is true I don't see how its dangerous and if the only media carrying the story are the NY Post and Fox it doesn't hurt Biden.

I'm curious why didn't they just choose to shadow block it or de-prioritize it on the newsfeed? It would achieve the same thing w/o discretely taking a side.
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