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Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by inigyou »

Terr_ wrote: post #329
pkulak wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's enough to shut down you phone. Then it needs a pin, and you're entitled to not give that over, I believe. So you should be safe, apart from some kind of rubber-hose cryptanalysis.

> Then it needs a pin A compromise to this is that many phones have a "lockdown" mode, where it isn't fully off but refuses to accept biometrics until a code/pattern is used to bring it to a more day-to-day mode. It's less-secure than being fully off, but it also means if you do need to access your phone you can do so more-quickly.

Just reboot it. The disk is encrypted until you unlock it.

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Post by amrit3128 »

gcanyon wrote: post #849

I read a pretty compelling argument by a lawyer that we're looking at this the wrong way. (I Am Not A Lawyer) Their point was that if the law is knocking on your door to legally search your house, and you have records of your criminal empire printed out in boxes in your attic, or just non-illegal things you don't want people to see, and you burn those papers while the law waits out front, you're guilty of destroying…

But the issue here is the original charges were literally made up. There was no evidence whatsoever of him having anything related to CSAM on his device. At this point any cop can ask anyone to hand over their phone to search for CSAM.

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Post by inigyou »

blobbers wrote: post #485

Does anyone know if this border security inspection is a goon scrolling through your photos, or do they just copy the whole memory of your phone to a real “threat detector”. When I used to work in cell phones and I was debugging them, when they crash I would analyze the OS core dump for things like repeated phone numbers or emails etc. Basically any thing that signifies a memory leak. But that core dump would be the…

There's a company called Cellebrite that makes phone dumpers. They take full snapshots. All phones except GrapheneOS are vulnerable if the phone has been unlocked after it was rebooted (After First Unlock - disks have been decrypted). Some are also vulnerable Before First Unlock. So just assume if they have your phone and it's not Graphene, they get a full memory and disk dump.

Re: Felony charges for citizen deleting phone data at US Border

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Post by shigawire »

inigyou wrote: post #833
spl757 wrote: post #779

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The US is currently governed by a dictator propped up by an oligarchy that can only do that because of the Citizens United supreme court decision. Until Citizens United is mitigated, and that appears to be starting to happen as states make laws that state you can't be on the ballot in their state if you take large, anonymous campaign donations from people who will want, and get, a return on their investment. Hawaii i…

Citizens United is a scapegoat here. The people genuinely want what they voted for.

But the people generally seem to want whatever the person who spends the most money on media says they should want.

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Post by shigawire »

mrcwinn wrote: post #826
spl757 wrote: post #779

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The US is currently governed by a dictator propped up by an oligarchy that can only do that because of the Citizens United supreme court decision. Until Citizens United is mitigated, and that appears to be starting to happen as states make laws that state you can't be on the ballot in their state if you take large, anonymous campaign donations from people who will want, and get, a return on their investment. Hawaii i…

An elected dictator with a nearing term limit. America continues to innovate!

Competitive authoritarianism is a closer term that IR people use.

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Post by inigyou »

rootusrootus wrote: post #467
spl757 wrote: post #389

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The US has it's mid-term elections this november, and it's possible, and even likely, that the Democratic candidates will win overwhealmingly. The Democrats are not a monolith, either, the Democratic Socialists of America political group is the very progressive part of the Democratic party, they are the ones that are not accepting dark money campaign donations. I do not agree with a lot of the unrealistic things that…

I think the best case scenario is that the democrats win sufficient control of congress that they can both stop the legislative agenda (to the extent it even exists) and interfere enough with presidential executive actions that everything stalls until we reach the next presidential election. I have exactly zero expectations of real consequences to Trump. He has far too much popular support for that to be realistic. B…

Why would the democrat party do that, when it largely agrees with everything that's happening?

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Post by inigyou »

deepfriedbits wrote: post #268
btbuildem wrote: post #227

The naivete of some of the comments here is astounding. It doesn't matter whether you're right, it doesn't matter whether it's the law, it's irrelevant that you have rights, etc. Those things are of the past now, for the US. I think it would be easier to understand the playing field and choose your actions accordingly, if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of cours…

With all due respect, this is a wild take. Things aren't great in the U.S. right now, but they're not even in the same universe as what the Stasi was doing. > I think it would be easier to understand the playing field and choose your actions accordingly, if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of course with 1000x more invasive and effective surveillance tech.

Companies like Flock and Palantir are explicitly an automated Stasi, and the advertising industry has already built another automated Stasi but it's not quite what the government wants (e.g. no ALPRs since they're useless for advertising).

I challenge you on falsifiability. What evidence would it take for you admit the US is Stasi level?

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Post by inigyou »

dijit wrote: post #270
deepfriedbits wrote: post #268

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With all due respect, this is a wild take. Things aren't great in the U.S. right now, but they're not even in the same universe as what the Stasi was doing. > I think it would be easier to understand the playing field and choose your actions accordingly, if you accept the US has entered its East Germany / late 20th century Soviet era -- except of course with 1000x more invasive and effective surveillance tech.

its only with the benefit of hindsight (and being on the winning side- thus the propaganda was never dispelled) that we consider the stasi and so on the way we do. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. might just be a duck. I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today.

German people largely thought Hitler was the good guy and there's no way the h-caust actually happened, until several decades after the war ended.

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Post by inigyou »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #354
dijit wrote: post #270

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its only with the benefit of hindsight (and being on the winning side- thus the propaganda was never dispelled) that we consider the stasi and so on the way we do. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. might just be a duck. I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today.

> I don’t believe those living “normal lives” in East Germany or the Soviet era considered the police to be evil and invasive the way we do today. "normal life" under the Stasi was constant political terror and suppression. The death counts are low because they thought death too little of a penalty for opposing them - they used psychological warfare ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zersetzung ) and torture instead. Th…

We think of them that way now in hindsight. But they could still buy milk and eggs.

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Post by fluoridation »

formerly_proven wrote: post #749
fluoridation wrote: post #528

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That's interesting. Where can I read more about this?

Non-US-centric legal topics are surprisingly often a blind spot in enwiki, this is one of them. In civil law the core principle for this is "nemo tenetur (se ipsum accusare)", but the reifications are wildly different in the jurisdictions. Here are some examples: - Japan (South Korea has practically the same law word-for-word): https://www.japaneselawtranslation.go.jp/en/laws/view/3581/e... ("...relating to a crimina…

Huh. The Spanish Wikipedia doesn't mention it either, just has a brief blurb somewhere defining the Latin phrase.
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