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Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

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Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#871

The way I see it, a government led by an adult toddler and his sycophants has decided to punish a firm that refused to cooperate with it's military when it was embarrassed by a militarily weak adversary. The model strength spin strikes me as motivated reasoning. The rubicon being crossed here is Republicans/the red tribe losing their comparative advantage of being opposed to overregulating a rapidly advancing technol…

This. Free Market my ass. GOP is a mafia now.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#872

I do not trust Anthropic anymore. They put in silent guardrails, reverted them later after people complained to save face, were loud and obnoxious about how their models are dangerous and should be regulated, and now this. Too much drama for a typical end-user. I'm sticking to alternatives even if they have a bit more smarter (for now) model than others.

The issue is that it’s fundamentally a religious organization. All religious orgs do things that seem irrational / harmful to unusual groups / off-kilter from capitalist orgs.

It would be nice if they slid on over to a more typical presentation in the market — but I think they’ll need to experience a fair amount more pain to really change behavior - it’s embedded in their minds as proper, safe and ethical, and they’re currently sitting on tons of cash.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#874

> First, Anthropic was founded by people who we know were worried about AI safety and signs point to that still being the case "omg these things are so so so dangerous, no one should ever build them, but anyways give me $7 trillion so we can build them and see for ourselves, it's OK because we're The Good Guys"

What's with these naive Reddit-esque takes all over HN?

It was "these models will one day be dangerous, but we think it's possible to build them safely, doing more good than harm."

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#875
Got an email that I can cancel if this doesn't work for me.

As I only signed up to check out the fable, I just did this.

"Refund of €96.84 processed. Expect it in 3–10 business days."

Let's see how long it takes. Funny that it never takes this long to be deducted from my card.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#878

I am convinced Fable is being served under Opus 4.8 at the moment.-

It's a pretty big difference in quality, definitely no. I'll miss Fable a lot, it was the first time when the model was able to catch up with my abandoned compiler project, and it did it extremely well, I have seen nothing like this so far.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#879

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

We need open distributed "p2p" models a la bittorrent , that allow individuals to share their computer power for inference. So that the models cant be censored and everyone can run SOTA models.

It doesn't have to be free, we have the means to transact in a p2p fashion electronically as well.

Re: Statement on US government directive to suspend access to Fable 5 and Mythos 5

#880

So many comments here missing the big picture, and just gleefully pointing out that Anthropic got what they deserved, or that this is the natural culmination of some kind of marketing stunt. The real story here is that this may be the beginning of governments restricting the availability of strong LLMs to the public, to you. Fable was the strongest model on the market, and the US government has told you you can't use…

> If you think the solution here is going to be open source Chinese models and / or running on your own hardware, think again. Do you think China is going to allow

I think this also misses the point. The precedent here almost surely implies that it will be illegal to use these frontier models as well.

I can see a future where weights are distributed on the darkweb or bittorrent, or people are trying to use small fly by night hosts of models.

But if this says these models are dangerous and the companies and people can't be trusted with them, then I don't see why that wouldn't also apply to open weight models.

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