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Post by imchillyb »

wg0 wrote: post #576
rishabhaiover wrote: post #557

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> just a random token generator based on token frequency distributions with no real thought process I'm not smart enough to reduce LLMs and the entire ai effort into such simple terms but I am smart enough to see the emergence of a new kind of intelligence even when it threatens the very foundations of the industry that I work for.

It's an illusion of intelligence. Just like when a non technical person saw the TV for the first time, he thought these people must be living inside that box. He didn't know the 40,000 volt electron gun being bombarded on phosphorus constantly leaving the glow for few milliseconds till next pass. He thought these guys live inside that wooden box there's no other explanation.

In order To be confident in your claim one would think that the word intelligence must first be defined.

There is no general consensus in the scientific community, engineering community, psychology community, or any other group of humans as to what exactly counts as intelligence.

Seems like you’ve nailed the definition. Care to share your brilliance with the rest of the planet? We’re all waiting…

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Post by mlmonkey »

square_usual wrote: post #855
mlmonkey wrote: post #854

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This is what I've heard on the "street". Building a CUDA-compatible stack for AMD's hardware requires highly-paid SWEs. It's a very niche field, and talent is hard to come by. But AMD does not want to pay these specialized SWEs the market rate. Their existing SWEs would be up in arms saying, basically, "what are we, chopped liver??", or so the thinking goes. So AMD is stuck with a shitty software stack which cannot c…

> highly-laid SWEs Freudian slip?

Ha! You caught it before I did; and I caught it right away.

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Post by nine_k »

rincebrain wrote: post #841
nine_k wrote: post #764

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Yes, exactly as they would now, when the access over IPv6 is entirely unavailable. With that, the customers who don't use filtering by IPv4 would be able to use IPv6. Those who do use access control by IPv4 ranges would have time to sort out their IPv6 setup, without having anything broken at the moment when IPv6 is enabled.

No, if you have a dual-homed stack right now, and they only expose IPv4, you connect over IPv4, you don't attempt to connect over IPv6 and get connection denied. That's rather the problem - there's no trivial way to mimic that policy transparently while enabling IPv6, because most stacks will default to using IPv6 if they're dual-homed and expose both, and won't fall back if IPv6 connects but gives an error. (Offhand…

I suppose that customers who set up access controls based on IPv4 address ranges must be running an UPv4-first stack, most likely IPv4-only.

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Post by Aerroon »

timacles wrote: post #852
everforward wrote: post #662

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Interaction feels like the issue with headsets. You either need a fair bit of space for gesture controls, or you have to talk to yourself for voice control. I think VR has more niche uses than the craze implied. It’s got some cool games, virtual screens for a desktop could be cool someday, but I don’t see a near future where they replace phones.

People are discounting the fact the almost no one wants a contraption on their head for an extended period of time. It is a universal preference Until VR is done via glasses or some wire you stick in your neck matrix style, it will never take off

People use helmets all the time for extended periods of time. I'm not sure that's such a deal breaker.

I don't want to wear glasses for extended periods of time either, but I've had to get used to them.

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Post by hephaes7us »

torginus wrote: post #137
chasd00 wrote: post #88

This gives OpenAI the ability to goto AWS instead of exclusively on Azure. I guess Azure really is hanging on by a thread. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47616242

What? I thought Azure will always have the Sharepoint/Office/Active Directory cash cow.

Though it may be painful for much of the world to move on from Microsoft, at some point it could be more painful for them to stay with Microsoft. The inertia is huge, but inertia doesn't carry anything forever.

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Post by hephaes7us »

mlmonkey wrote: post #854
coder-3 wrote: post #606

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Interesting. Why? My current mental model is that AMD chips are just a bit behind, so, less efficient, but no biggie. Do labs even use CUDA?

This is what I've heard on the "street". Building a CUDA-compatible stack for AMD's hardware requires highly-paid SWEs. It's a very niche field, and talent is hard to come by. But AMD does not want to pay these specialized SWEs the market rate. Their existing SWEs would be up in arms saying, basically, "what are we, chopped liver??", or so the thinking goes. So AMD is stuck with a shitty software stack which cannot c…

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Post by dualvariable »

ttul wrote: post #612
maxclark wrote: post #247

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And almost by happenstance Apple. Turns out they have a great platform for inference and torched almost nothing comparatively on Siri. The Apple/Gemini deal is interesting, Google continues to demonstrate their willingness to degrade their experience on Apple to try and force people to switch.

If you do the math (I did), in 2 years, open source models that you can run on a future MacBook Pro will be as capable as the frontier cloud models are today. Memory bandwidth is growing rapidly, as is the die area dedicated to the neural cores. And all the while, we have the silicon getting more power efficient and increasingly dense (as it always does). These hardware improvements are coming along as the open sourc…

Also, all the cloud models don't have to be the best frontier models, and you don't need to focus on hitting the benchmark of shrinking Opus 4.7 down to a single MBP to make significant improvements. If you get it so that an Opus 4.7 benchmark-compatible model can run in $250k of datacenter capex (and associated reduced opex for power+cooling) that'd be a massive cost improvement that makes the cloud models cheaper. And for most consumers that'll probably be good enough. You don't need to run on a $5k laptop to make a big difference.

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Post by willy_k »

everforward wrote: post #864
willy_k wrote: post #827

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It’s premature to say that the idea failed; The flashy controversial “metaverse” angle where you can live your whole life on the Quest or whatever isn’t happening, but their investment into AR/VR has definitely started to show real payoff potential with their glasses. They address the friction of use issue being discussed, they’re even more discrete and available than a phone. And they are getting a lot of general pu…

I don’t mean that VR failed entirely, just that the metaverse as a concept is basically dead. VR will live on in the niches where it makes sense. If you’re talking about the Meta Ray Ban glasses, I wouldn’t really call that a successor. There’s no AR or VR to them that I can tell; just glasses with speakers, a mic and a camera. It’s a neat product, but not a platform in the way VR was meant to be. They also have real…

I was taking your comment to mean that the metaverse movement (as in the rebranding to Meta etc., rather than the specific concept itself) is dead, which apparently you did not mean so that’s on me.

They have two current Meta Ray Ban options, the “Gen 2” and the “Display”, the latter of which does have an AR component.

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Post by [deleted] »

mlmonkey wrote: post #854
coder-3 wrote: post #606

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. Why? My current mental model is that AMD chips are just a bit behind, so, less efficient, but no biggie. Do labs even use CUDA?

This is what I've heard on the "street". Building a CUDA-compatible stack for AMD's hardware requires highly-paid SWEs. It's a very niche field, and talent is hard to come by. But AMD does not want to pay these specialized SWEs the market rate. Their existing SWEs would be up in arms saying, basically, "what are we, chopped liver??", or so the thinking goes. So AMD is stuck with a shitty software stack which cannot c…

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Post by rotis »

libertine wrote: post #784
windexh8er wrote: post #707

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Basically any frontier model right now and ask it any politically divisive fact that may upset certain classes of people.

For example? Because for Deepseek is pretty straightforward censorship.

https://chatgpt.com/share/69f0dc83-ec70-83eb-896b-b258de2c9f...

https://claude.ai/share/ac4d2041-4328-4511-904a-ff8b1cbfc0bb

Looks like self-censoring to me. Grok has no problems answering, so it is not a technical limitation:

https://grok.com/share/bGVnYWN5_341d6428-ea7d-4b84-ad4d-8df9...

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