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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by MiguelX413 »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #829
dang wrote: post #575

I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

I have to believe that what we're seeing is a minority opinion that feels like their uniquely backwards logic justifying this is somehow worth sharing as if its new and insightful, while the vast majority of us think "holy crap, that's horrible" but aren't adding it because of course that's already been said and there just isn't any more nuance needed.

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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hax0ron3 wrote: post #808
dang wrote: post #575

I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by MiguelX413 »

hax0ron3 wrote: post #808
dang wrote: post #575

I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

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Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by happytoexplain »

tptacek wrote: post #841
rl3 wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I imagine you knew Sam personally when he was President of YC. Most people don't, instead going off what they read in the press. Recent press is often less than flattering, given how contentious AI in general is as of late. Consider for some it's already hit home in the form of job loss, which for most people can easily be catastrophic. Or maybe they've a giant datacenter in their back yard suddenly, and now their ai…

You're being nice about it but I think you're inadvertently expressing literally the sentiment Dan was referring to.

I am not speaking for the parent, but my personal interpretation is that they are trying to add perspectives/thoughts, not denying what Dan said (i.e. it's not "inadvertent" in as few words).

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by tptacek »

happytoexplain wrote: post #874
tptacek wrote: post #841

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being nice about it but I think you're inadvertently expressing literally the sentiment Dan was referring to.

I am not speaking for the parent, but my personal interpretation is that they are trying to add perspectives/thoughts, not denying what Dan said (i.e. it's not "inadvertent" in as few words).

By that I meant it didn't read like they were trying to push back on him.

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Post by unethical_ban »

simianwords wrote: post #864
surgical_fire wrote: post #632

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When violence is considered as an acceptable solution to systemic issues, it is an early sign that things are taking a very bad turn. I typically take jabs at the community here, but not this time. What you are seeing is a reflection of a wider, much more insidious problem. Trust in society is failing, and people are not seeing a civilized solution through the usual channels - such as politics. I think things will ge…

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Well if you say so, then it isn't happening. Never mind the numbers, the political climate, the statements of corporate managers or reality.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by hax0ron3 »

MiguelX413 wrote: post #873
hax0ron3 wrote: post #808

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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To be fair, my role in structural violence, while not to the level of Sam Altman, is also far from non-zero.

And that's kind of what I'm trying to get at. I'm not saying that people should kill Sam Altman. I don't think I would kill him even if I was 100% sure I could get away with it. Killing is a very heavy thing, surely there are usually other ways to solve problems. But the idea that it's ok to advocate violence against certain people and not others, which I think is probably implicit in dang's thinking (I doubt he would be offended by calls to kill Putin, for example), should probably be made explicit. We can have a conversation about where the line is exactly.

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Post by Froztnova »

dang wrote: post #575

I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

It's been getting pretty bad around here lately. I had someone reply to a post I made in that Idiocracy thread a few days ago advocating for eugenics. Really really gross all around.

People here think that they're much smarter than they actually are.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by dang »

phs318u wrote: post #722
dang wrote: post #575

I don't think I've ever seen a thread this bad on Hacker News*. The number of commenters justifying violence, or saying they "don't condone violence" and then doing exactly that, is sickening and makes me want to find something else to do with my life—something as far away from this as I can get. I feel ashamed of this community. * Edit: It would have been clearer to say "I've never seen a mob dynamic this bad on Hac…

All communities eventually become a reflection of the society they are a part of. Even a willingly insular and sometimes wilfully ignorant one. Did you think this corner of the internet - your beautiful little garden - could survive unscathed while the rest of the world and the rest of your country slowly/quickly goes mad? The visitors to this little garden may spend a lot of time here trying not to let the outside w…

Yes indeed: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que....

I said I was ashamed, not surprised. It isn't surprising, and the feeling comes with the job every day. The difference is that I said something about it this time; I occasionally do, as long as it isn't often. Maybe once a year or so.

Re: Sam Altman's response to Molotov cocktail incident

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Post by impossiblefork »

akramachamarei wrote: post #263
copypaper wrote: post #73

In all seriousness, what is the game plan for society moving forward as AI takes more jobs? The government doesn't seem to care. The AI labs don't seem to care. What happens when more and more people can't afford housing, kids, food, health insurance, etc.? Nothing more dangerous than a man who has no reason to live... I don't advocate for violence, but I do foresee more headlines like this as things get worse.

I think, like other disruptive inventions of the past, there will be pain for many, but it will pass. Society will grow and adapt. There's some statistic somewhere I will paraphrase and/or botch that goes like: 90% of the jobs people have today didn't exist 50 years ago. I think no one can imagine what possible opportunities will manifest in the future. It's a lot easier to imagine everything that might go wrong beca…

Why do you think so in the specific case of hypothetical improved LLMs that can do a large fraction of the kind of intellectual work humans are tasked with?

I think in such a state, there will no way up, not way to success, no way to real autonomy for ordinary people, maybe you'll even have actual oligarchal rule, since so few people do anything contributing to the economy with their labour.

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