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Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by 63stack »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #720
lelanthran wrote: post #600

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> OpenClaw and OpenCode are open source projects with zero warranty and nobody to sue if they have a npm Trojan in them When has any technology company been sued for pushing accidental malware in their updates? The reality is that you have never had anyone to sue.

Sure you did. But 99% of the time, you get the benefit of things that come with ability to sue - such as the vendor having a support team that's actually incentivized to respond to reports and deal with them quickly.

I agree with parent, "having a contract" gives you nothing tangible. Big tech providers get hacked quite commonly nowadays, some with glaringly embarrassing vulnerabilities like "the admin password was admin". All your data leaks, and the most you get from them going "sorry".

Having the ability to sue, and having the resources to sue is also not the same.

The amount of times I had to deal with support cases (as the reporter, not the handler) where I felt like the support person was actually incentivized to solve my problem vs just following the script is astonishingly low. Even with paid support. Paid support just means you get to follow their script faster.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by rdtsc »

abustamam wrote: post #870
rdtsc wrote: post #865

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Just curious, how does it work? Did you head to the restaurant with tupperware containers and hid them in bags or purses?

Zip lock bags and oversized purses

Ha, that's awesome! I am not judging, I totally can see some of my family members doing that, too.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

Tiereven wrote: post #840
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #73

There seem to be a ton of people who don't understand how subscription services work. Every single one of them oversells their capacity. The power users that use the services a lot are subsidized by those who don't use it as much, which tends to be the vast majority of the user base. OpenClaw is an autonomous power user. The growing adoption of this walking attack surface was either going to A) cause the cost of Clau…

They have multiple tiers of service. The whole point of this was to allow "power users" to access more tokens. If someone upgraded to a $200/month Max subscription it's because they're a power user.

The thing is that a power user still sleeps.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by mirashii »

chatmasta wrote: post #244
mirashii wrote: post #188

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They have, but they also just announced this week that for business and enterprise plans, they’re switching from quotas for codex to token use based pricing, and I would expect that to eventually propagate to all their plans for all the same reasons.

I’d be surprised if that propagated to personal subscription plans, simply because it would put them at a huge competitive disadvantage against Anthropic, which they’ve already signaled they care about by saying they allow third-party harnesses. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they required third-party harnesses to use per-token billing, since that’d put them on par with Anthropic.

Turns out the intent to do so was announced on April 2nd as well.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by toniantunovi »

This is a useful forcing function for distinguishing two architectural categories of Claude Code adjacent tooling. Tools that route your API traffic through a third-party harness are definitionally dependent on Anthropic's policy toward that harness. Tools that run locally and integrate via MCP, without touching the API subscription path at all, are outside this restriction entirely because they are just another tool in your local environment. The local-first architecture was always the right one for teams with compliance or privacy requirements. This week is a good illustration of why it is also the right one for teams that just want to avoid dependency on a vendor-intermediary relationship they cannot control.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Aerroon »

harrall wrote: post #283
dimmke wrote: post #269

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I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…

This is how free drink refills, airplane tickets, Internet service, unlimited data plans, insurance, flat rate shipping, monthly transit passes, Netflix, Apple Music, gym memberships, museum memberships, car wash plans, amusement park passes, all you can eat buffets, news subscriptions, and many more work. Either you get a flat rate fee based on certain allowed usage patterns or everyone has to be billed à la carte.

Rent doesn't work that way... yet. Imagine if it did though, people would be arguing:

"Well, you're not expected to be able to live in that home the entire month that you paid for!"

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by rvba »

harrall wrote: post #283
dimmke wrote: post #269

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I feel like Anthropic is going down a bad path here with billing things this way. Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I downgraded from my $200 a month plan to my $20 plan and hit limits constantly. I try to use the API access I purchased separately, and it doesn't work with Claude Code (something about the 1 million context requiring extra usage) so I have to use it Continue. Then I get instantly r…

This is how free drink refills, airplane tickets, Internet service, unlimited data plans, insurance, flat rate shipping, monthly transit passes, Netflix, Apple Music, gym memberships, museum memberships, car wash plans, amusement park passes, all you can eat buffets, news subscriptions, and many more work. Either you get a flat rate fee based on certain allowed usage patterns or everyone has to be billed à la carte.

Internet service and unlimited data plans work like this though.

Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by [deleted] »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #639
boppo1 wrote: post #297

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>Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I'm sorry is there anything even close to sonnet, much less opus, that can be run on a 4080? Or 64gb of ram, even slowly?

Look for the current crop of local Mixture of Experts models, where it seems like they've made inroads on the O(n^2) context attention cost problem. Several folks have mentioned Qwen, but there's many more of that ilk. Several of them actually score really high on benchmarks. But when I mess with one of them locally by hand myself, (I have a 3090), it feels a bit like last year's Sonnet. They don't quite make the lea…

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Re: Tell HN: Anthropic no longer allowing Claude Code subscriptions to use OpenClaw

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Post by Aerroon »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #717
boppo1 wrote: post #297

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>Especially as local LLM continues to develop so fast. I'm sorry is there anything even close to sonnet, much less opus, that can be run on a 4080? Or 64gb of ram, even slowly?

Well, I reinstalled LM Studio today after some ~10 months since I last used it, just to test Gemma 4. On my PC with 32GB RAM and 4070 Ti (12GB VRAM), it (Gemma 4 26B A4B Q4_K_M) loads and runs reasonably fast, with no manual parameter or configuration tuning - just out of the box, on fresh install - and delivers results usable results on the level I remember expecting from SOTA cloud models 12-16 months ago. And hand…

And the smaller Gemma 4 models can do audio too.

The Qwen models are also really good.

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