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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by hu3 »

cogman10 wrote: post #867
hu3 wrote: post #864

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I have no horse in this race but I did find some daunting google results about that.

I'd love to see a link to them. My cursory googles aren't finding it. Look, not trying to defend the guy, but I don't like this sort of hyperbole. People have the wrong view on what Iran is like. It's ran by religious fundamentalists, which is bad, but it's also probably one of the more progressive muslim theocracies in the region. People tend to mix up shit that Saudi Arabia does with Iran. In particular, Iran has a…

I really don't want this on my comment history but here you go:

~redacted google serarch~

And I understand your point. There's a ton of bias. We must be careful with the "facts" on the internet.

Admitedly, these link results don't inspire me much confidence.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by rayiner »

woodruffw wrote: post #862
rayiner wrote: post #798

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I think it’s just wagging the dog: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog . Combined with the fact that the media will be confused about how to respond. You’ll have Iranian diaspora celebrating, like Venezuelans did after the capture of Maduro, making it impossible for the media to frame this simply in terms of “Trump is racist.” As a result, the whole thing will get memory holed, just like the Venezuela attack.

That’s a very different argument than it being similar to 9/11!

I didn’t say the attack on Iran was like 9/11. I was responding to OP’s hypothetical about what would happen if the situation was reversed and Trump was killed.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by general_reveal »

orthogonal_cube wrote: post #135
pinkmuffinere wrote: post #39

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It’s no guarantee, but it is a good opportunity. I’m half-Persian, and certainly not as closely connected as others, but it’s hard to see this as a bad thing. There’s a possibility I can go visit my family in Iran as a result of this. I haven’t had a good chance for that in like 4 years

Removal of the head of state is often a turning point. Either a regime becomes more extreme or the government collapses due to in-fighting as individuals attempt to gain control. I would hold back on any hopes until we see how the current government handles things. Intervention from other countries does not always lead to positive outcomes.

Naval blockade and the military capacity to simply siege you from afar. Tactically , why America didn’t do more of that is … well who knows. I mean, what if we literally parked our carrier group off of Iraq and sieged them until

A) Put in a government we like

B) Population behave or quality of life will be bad, you see, the simple life is difficult with cruise missiles coming at you

If that’s as effective as sending 250k ground troops (which … actually wasn’t effective), one could make the observation that Trump is a military genius.

Someone please talk sense to me because I cannot believe what I am saying.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by thejazzman »

FireBeyond wrote: post #834
simianparrot wrote: post #768

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By your logic, Khamenei probably hasn't murdered anyone either, right? What a pitiful "argument". While other Presidents would go as far as putting signs saying "the buck stops here" on the Resolute Desk, the current President's sign would say "the buck stops anywhere but here". Let's also see what happens with New Mexico's investigation of the Zorro Ranch... Self defense, my ass. Neither situation posed ANY credible…

to be fair, the prior respondent did seem to agree with the word 'murder' so perhaps we're all ultimately in agreement about what happened :|

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Post by ant6n »

greedo wrote: post #733
ant6n wrote: post #424

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The canonical example is WWii Germany. Denazification actually sort of worked. But it required a lot of effort, resources and special circumstances.

West Germany wasn't denazified. The process was started after the surrender, but quickly and quietly stopped.

The party was forbidden, the symbols were forbidden. They hung the main leaders, quite publicly. It became a huge taboo, the ideology effectively died (for decades). A strong democracy was established, older democratic parties took over.

Yes a bunch of previous nazis made it back into power and politics, but they didn't call themselves nazis or acted like nazis. But also, the country as a whole took a very different path after wwii.

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Post by cogman10 »

hu3 wrote: post #871
cogman10 wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to see a link to them. My cursory googles aren't finding it. Look, not trying to defend the guy, but I don't like this sort of hyperbole. People have the wrong view on what Iran is like. It's ran by religious fundamentalists, which is bad, but it's also probably one of the more progressive muslim theocracies in the region. People tend to mix up shit that Saudi Arabia does with Iran. In particular, Iran has a…

I really don't want this on my comment history but here you go: ~redacted google serarch~ And I understand your point. There's a ton of bias. We must be careful with the "facts" on the internet. Admitedly, these link results don't inspire me much confidence.

The only one attributing a similar quote to khamenei is an x user. The rest appear to document that an exiranian official saying that counter revolutionary women sentenced to death are raped.

I hope you can see how these are pretty different things.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by hu3 »

cogman10 wrote: post #877
hu3 wrote: post #871

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't want this on my comment history but here you go: ~redacted google serarch~ And I understand your point. There's a ton of bias. We must be careful with the "facts" on the internet. Admitedly, these link results don't inspire me much confidence.

The only one attributing a similar quote to khamenei is an x user. The rest appear to document that an exiranian official saying that counter revolutionary women sentenced to death are raped. I hope you can see how these are pretty different things.

First link:

"Based on our findings, some of the various forms of sexual torture, such as the rape of virgin girls prior to their execution, were conducted in a systematic way and were based on the interpretation of an order by Ayatollah Khomeini (1979-1989), the Islamic Republic Supreme Leader at the time."

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmselect/cmin...

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by anon291 »

cameldrv wrote: post #146
tejohnso wrote: post #52

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There would likely be millions of Americans celebrating the murder of their current president, should that happen. It doesn't mean it's reasonable, right, just, or civilized, nor would it indicate that it was a unanimously supported action.

Perhaps, but there would be tens/hundreds of millions of people like me who didn't vote for Trump and don't like him, but would be absolutely enraged beyond perhaps anything in this country's history if another country blew up the White House and he was killed.

Most Americans would. No fan of Trump but he is the duly elected president of the United States and has not done anything particularly egregious.

Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by anon291 »

flyinglizard wrote: post #100
thisislife2 wrote: post #77

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Exactly. This is just western media trying to project some morality to what was an internationally illegal act ... (and perhaps some in the media hoping against hope this publicity would please the dear, glorious leaders of Israel and the US to end the war).

International law being thrown around a lot. Seems like everyone is an int’l law expert, even though it’s quite an exotic speciality. So please go ahead and tell me, where does International Law prohibit a state that’s at war with another to assassinate its head of state?

International law == who has biggest guns
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