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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #870
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #805

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m continuously astounded by people who want to give the government more power seeing the current state of the US government.

You aren't amazed at how people advocating for privatizing things that are supposed to be for the public good keep doubling down when it doesn't work out? We couldn't be in the place we are if it weren't for those who constantly yelled 'smaller government!' while dismantling all features of accountability and balance of power in order to achieve that end.

Well the difference is that a private company doesn’t have a full army, masked jack booted thugs who shoot people with abandon with “qualified immunity” and the legal right of force to take away my property without a trial (civil forfeiture) or prosecute me because they don’t like me (see the current administration).

They also can’t stop me because I don’t “look like I belong” in my neighborhood (true story). I’d rather not give the government any more power.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by Eisenstein »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #871
Eisenstein wrote: post #870

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't amazed at how people advocating for privatizing things that are supposed to be for the public good keep doubling down when it doesn't work out? We couldn't be in the place we are if it weren't for those who constantly yelled 'smaller government!' while dismantling all features of accountability and balance of power in order to achieve that end.

Well the difference is that a private company doesn’t have a full army, masked jack booted thugs who shoot people with abandon with “qualified immunity” and the legal right of force to take away my property without a trial (civil forfeiture) or prosecute me because they don’t like me (see the current administration). They also can’t stop me because I don’t “look like I belong” in my neighborhood (true story). I’d rat…

But everyone has been listening to your argument and doing what you are advocating for since Reagan and yet here we are.

Have you every thought about the fact that power doesn't just disappear? Someone is going to have control over the jackbooted thugs. Claiming democratic norms and public control over them is bad just ensures that they become the tools of a few people without any way to constrain them.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience and that we are currently having one as a country, but the solution is to push for more democracy, not more privatization.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by Aerbil313 »

tokyobreakfast wrote: post #39
poncho_romero wrote: post #25

I hope this goes through. Trillion dollar companies are waging a war on our attention, using everything at their disposal to make these apps addictive. It isn't a fair fight and the existence of infinite feeds is bad both for people and democracy. Regulating consumer products that cause harm to millions is nothing new.

> Trillion dollar companies are waging a war on our attention, using everything at their disposal to make these apps addictive. Or you could just shut the phone off and/or not install the app. It's a simple solution, really, and one that is available at your disposal today at no cost.

Found the guy who won the genetic lottery AND the healthy childhood lottery!

Dude, in case you don't know, you are the anomaly. Most people don't have the amount of free will as you do. They can't "just put down the phone". You can. They can't.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Eisenstein wrote: post #872
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #871

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the difference is that a private company doesn’t have a full army, masked jack booted thugs who shoot people with abandon with “qualified immunity” and the legal right of force to take away my property without a trial (civil forfeiture) or prosecute me because they don’t like me (see the current administration). They also can’t stop me because I don’t “look like I belong” in my neighborhood (true story). I’d rat…

But everyone has been listening to your argument and doing what you are advocating for since Reagan and yet here we are. Have you every thought about the fact that power doesn't just disappear? Someone is going to have control over the jackbooted thugs. Claiming democratic norms and public control over them is bad just ensures that they become the tools of a few people without any way to constrain them. I'm sorry you…

You know it’s literally in the constitution - the idea of a free press. If the money to keep the press in business, who keeps the government accountable?

And to pretend like the US is a democracy where the popular vote matters completely ignores reality. Every state gets two Senators so South Dakota has the same voting power in the Senate as California. The house districts are so gerrymandered that the sum total of Democratic votes will always be less than their share of the house since it is so easy to dilute Democrats voting power since they live in major cities.

So if you want to push for a more (small d) democratic government, you’re going to first have to overall the entire constitution so the largest states population’s aren’t diluted.

And I posted a link earlier that the government has literally been trying to defund PBS since the 1960a and Mr. Rogers himself had to beg Congress not to defund it.

Right now today the federal government is erasing any signs of anything in museums and national parks that doesn’t make the US look good or admit that gay people exist. This is the government you want controlling the press?

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by Aerbil313 »

breezykoi wrote: post #722
manuelmoreale wrote: post #75

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And based on some of the replies in this thread we better act fast before it's too late.

Reading some comments I don’t know whether some use fallacious arguments deliberately or are simply incapable of logical reasoning.

It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on not understanding it.

Way too many working in/adjacent to the advertising or the doomscrolling industry here.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by Aerbil313 »

breezykoi wrote: post #722
manuelmoreale wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And based on some of the replies in this thread we better act fast before it's too late.

Reading some comments I don’t know whether some use fallacious arguments deliberately or are simply incapable of logical reasoning.

I don't use any social media (except HN ~once a week) and every time I suggest a person they try stopping social media it's either a quiet "Yeah I know it's not good but I can't stop" or defending the "fun" and supposed virtues of doomscrolling with great fervor.

I think it's this latter camp of people. It triggers them as if you threatened to take away his candy from a child.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by Aerbil313 »

dgellow wrote: post #642
geysersam wrote: post #612

I feel we can't make laws against the subject of moral panic every generation. People have felt the same way about the activities of youths since forever. But ultimately it often turns out fine. Change can bring new problems, but it also brings positives that are hard to understand and even formulate, that's culture. Trying to be the arbiter of that is foolish. Is ticktock addictive because of it's design, or is it a…

> Is ticktock addictive because of it's design We have clear answers here. Yes it’s by design

And social media is objectively and measurably harming children, see: https://jonathanhaidt.com/essays/

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by dahart »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #861
dahart wrote: post #852

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We also have an existence proof that region-specific laws can change web advertising practices globally with the GDPR.

The only thing that the GDPR has done outside of the EU is annoying cookie banners.

False.

Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

forgetfreeman wrote: post #863
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I meant it more as marveling at the people who get excited at the undigested corn kernel and then make artwork about it, though not to knock participation in this zeitgeist. There really is something fascinating about seeing people congregate over something that excites them, regardless of the curmudgeons who denigrate it. Doubly so if I don't understand it. It doesn't have to be your cup of tea but calling it "a ker…

The only thing more predictable than the credulous defense of harmful technologies is the wildly fallacious "old man sneering at clouds". If there is hostility there's generally a good reason for it. Refusing to engage with that is an indication of arrested emotional development or maybe a massive ideological blind spot. It certainly doesn't herald open-mindedness.

This seems like a record for number of projections per sentence.

You do not have any reason to think I've (1) "arrested emotional development" nor (2) an "ideological blind spot"; (3) my "defense of harmful technologies" was not even presented, let alone (4) does it have anything to do with old men shaking their fists at clouds; and you do not have any reason to say I've (5) not been open-minded.

The only thing I said is that there have been some happenings to be entertained by, that is not exclusive to other feelings about them. I can think whoever set up MJ Rathbun has been irresponsible while also laughing at the dumb thing their irresponsible decisions caused.

These feelings are not mutually exclusive and hostility towards the ones I expressed because you made assumptions about other feelings I must have is an indication of arrested emotional development and certainly doesn't herald open-mindedness. Obviously (this is from my perspective, let's remember our emotional development and open-mindedness), you must fear these things in some manner and you are projecting said fears onto my statements in these comments.

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