lord some of the people on this site need their hard drives searched.
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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok
#872Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform
My natural reaction here is like I think most others; that yes Grok / X bad, shouldn't be able to generate CSAM content / deepfakes. But I am having trouble justifying in an consistent manner why Grok / X should be liable here instead of the user. I've seen a few arguments here that mostly comes down to: 1. It's Grok the LLM generating the content, not the user. 2. The distribution. That this isn't just on the user's…
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“Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes.” I’m sorry but that’s absurd even amidst the cacophony of absurdity that comprises public discourse these days.
I'll bite. How was TikTok held liable for the crimes it was accused of?
It was force-sold to Oracle.
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If there is a glut of legal, AI generated CSAM material then this provides a lot of deniability for criminal creators/spreaders that cause genuine harm, and reduces "vigilance" of prosecutors, too ("it's probably just AI generated anyway..."). You could make a multitude of arguments against that perspective, but at least there is a conclusive reason for legal restrictions. > What is the criteria for this? My criteria…
> You could make a multitude of arguments against that perspective, but at least there is a conclusive reason for legal restrictions. But that reason is highly problematic. Laws should be able to stand on their own for their reasons. Saying 'this makes enforcement of other laws harder' does not do that. You could use the same reasoning against encryption. > You could make the same argument that a hidden camera in a l…
> Saying 'this makes enforcement of other laws harder' does not do that. You could use the same reasoning against encryption.
I don't understand how that's the same reasoning at all... Encryption serves ones individual privacy and preserves it against malicious actors. I'd guess that's a fundamental right in most jurisdictions, globally.
We're talking CSAM here and shifting its creation into the virtual world through some GenAI prompts. Just because that content has been created artificially, doesn't make its storage and distribution any more legal.
It isn't some reductionist "this makes enforcement of other laws harder", but it's rather that the illegal distribution of artificially generated content acts as fraudulent obstruction in the prosecution of authentic, highly illegal, content - content with malicious actors and physically affected victims.
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As far as I can tell from the reporting: * They exchanged various emails between 2012 and 2014 about Elon visiting the island * They made plans for Elon to visit the island * We don't know if Elon actually followed through on those plans and he denies it I think it's premature to say he didn't go, and the latest batches of emails directly contradict the claim he wasn't ever invited. See https://www.cnbc.com/2026/01/3…
Unless I'm mistaken reading this, it looks like they never set a date and this this is the prior conversation to him trying to invite himself over and being told no. I don't see any plans in this article, just Epstein saying he'll send a heli and then never setting a date or making actual plans. I feel like if there's no evidence he went, Elon denies it, and Elon was a big supporter of releasing the files then it would probably be premature to suggest he went.
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It seems people have a rather short memory when it comes to twitter. When it was still run by Jack Dorsey, CP was abundant on twitter and there was little effort to tamp down on it. After Musk bought the platform, he and Dorsey had a public argument in which Dorsey denied the scale of the problem or that old twitter was aware of it and had shown indifference. But Musk actually did take tangible steps to clean it up a…
Didn't Reddit have the same problem until they got negative publicity and were basically forced to clean it up? What is with these big tech companies and CP?
Reddit was forced to clean it up when they started eyeballing an IPO.
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Well, yes, it is actually pretty normal for suspected criminal businesses. What's unusual is that this one has their own publicity engine. Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes. More normally it looks like e.g. this in the UK: https://news.sky.com/video/police-raid-hundreds-of-businesse... CyberGEND more often seem to do smalltime copyright infringement e…
“Americans are just having trouble coping with the idea of a corporation being held liable for crimes.” I’m sorry but that’s absurd even amidst the cacophony of absurdity that comprises public discourse these days.
Corporations routinely get a slap on the wrist (seconds of profitability), not required to admit guilt, or deferred prosecution agreements.
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I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…
If you had argued that it’s impossible to track what is made on local models, and we can no longer maintain hashes of known CP, it would have been a fair statement of current reality. ——- You’ve said that whatever is behind door number 1 is unacceptable. Behind door number 2, “holding tool users responsible”, is tracking every item generated via AI, and being able to hold those users responsible. If you don’t like do…
Behind door number 4 is whenever you find a crime, start investigation and get a warrant. You will only need a couple of cases to send chilling enough effects.
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That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different
No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.
If you have a recommandation algorithm you are not a dumb pipe
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Court order, ip of users, sue the users. It is not X job to bring justice.
X will not provide these informations to the French Justice System. What then? Also insane that you believe the company that built a "commit crime" button bears no responsibility whatsoever in this debacle.
It is illegal in USA too, so the french authorities would absolutely have no problems getting assistance from the USA ones.