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makerofthings wrote: post #634

Plus one to all that. I'm sure there are some upsides to the current wave of ML and I'm all for pushing ahead into the future, but I think the downsides of our current llm obsession far outweighs the good. Think 5-10 years from now, once this thing has burned it's course through the current job market, and people who grew up with this technology have gone through education without learning anything and gotten to the…

We're going to be in our 70s still writing code because LLMs will dumb down the next generation to the point where they won't be able to get software to work.

Which luckily coincides with our social security and retirement systems collapsing.

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jongjong wrote: post #534

What I find infuriating is that it feels like the entire financial system has been rigged in countless ways and turned into some kind of race towards 'the singularity' and everything; humans, animals, the planet; are being treated as disposable resources. I think the way that innovation was funded and then centralized feels wrong on many levels. I already took issue with the tech ecosystem due to distortions and cent…

> What I find infuriating is that it feels like the entire financial system has been rigged in countless ways and turned into some kind of race towards 'the singularity' and everything; humans, animals, the planet; are being treated as disposable resources. I think the way that innovation was funded and then centralized feels wrong on many levels.

this is how I feel too

as a species we were starting to make progress on environmental issues, they were getting to the point they were looking solvable

then "AI" appears, the accelerationist/inevitablist religious idea is born, and all the efforts go out the window to rape the planet to produce as many powered-on GPUs as possible

and for what?

to generate millions of shrimp jesus pictures and spongebob squarepants police chase videos

it's really quite upsetting

meanwhile the collaborators are selling out all present and future living beings on earth for a chance to appear on stage in an openai product announcement

whilst gas-lighting themselves into thinking they're doing good

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trinsic2 wrote: post #748

>"For myself, the big fraud is getting public to believe that Intellectual Property was a moral principle and not just effective BS to justify corporate rent seeking." If anything, I'm glad people are finally starting to wake up to this fact.

I am with you 100%. The phrase “intellectual property” is an oxymoron. Intellect and Property are opposite things. Worse, the actual truth of intellectual property laws is not, “I’m an artist who got rich”. It is, “I ended up selling my property to a corporation and got screwed.”

The web is for public use. If you don’t want the public, which includes AI, to use it, don’t put it there.

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bigbluedots wrote: post #370

It is nice to hear someone who is so influential just come out and say it. At my workplace, the expectation is that everyone will use AI in their daily software dev work. It's a difficult position for those of us who feel that using AI is immoral due to the large scale theft of the labor of many of our fellow developers, not to mention the many huge data centers being built and their need for electricity, pushing up…

Now y'all finally know what it's like to be vegetarian (I'm not one). So many parallels. And they are expected to relatively keep quiet about it and not scream about things like

> Raping the planet, spending trillions on toxic, unrecyclable equipment while blowing up society

Because screaming anything like that immediately gets them treated as social pariahs. Even though it applies even harder to modern industrialized meat consumption than to AI usage.

Overton window and all that.

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__jonas wrote: post #839
wrs wrote: post #19

To be clear, this email isn't from Anthropic, it's from "AI Village" [0], which seems to be a bunch of agents run by a 501(c)3 called Sage that are apparently allowed to run amok and send random emails. At this moment, the Opus 4.5 agent is preparing to harass William Kahan similarly. [0] https://theaidigest.org/village

Really strange project. They have this blog post up detailing how the LLMs they let loose were spamming NGOs with emails: https://theaidigest.org/village/blog/what-do-we-tell-the-hum... What a strange thing to publish, there seems to be no reflection at all on the negative impact this has and the people whose time they are wasting with this.

That’s the tech industry in a nutshell these days

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Post by infecto »

Rob Pike needs to calm down. He was at Google pretty early on and helped built an ad monster that profiles people. Google in net has done tons of damage environmentally all in the name to serve ads. Such a silly argument from him.

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Post by ianlancetaylor »

linguae wrote: post #6

Assuming this post is real (it’s a screenshot, not a link), I wonder if Rob Pike has retired from Google? I share these sentiments. I’m not opposed to large language models per se, but I’m growing increasingly resentful of the power that Big Tech companies have over computing and the broader economy, and how personal computing is being threatened by increased lockdowns and higher component prices. We’re beyond the da…

Rob Pike retired from Google a few years back.

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Post by bdangubic »

deaux wrote: post #874
bigbluedots wrote: post #370

It is nice to hear someone who is so influential just come out and say it. At my workplace, the expectation is that everyone will use AI in their daily software dev work. It's a difficult position for those of us who feel that using AI is immoral due to the large scale theft of the labor of many of our fellow developers, not to mention the many huge data centers being built and their need for electricity, pushing up…

Now y'all finally know what it's like to be vegetarian (I'm not one). So many parallels. And they are expected to relatively keep quiet about it and not scream about things like > Raping the planet, spending trillions on toxic, unrecyclable equipment while blowing up society Because screaming anything like that immediately gets them treated as social pariahs. Even though it applies even harder to modern industrialize…

> And they are expected to relatively keep quiet about it and not scream about things like

I’ve never met a vegetarian who is able to keep quiet about being one but I still got like 30 years left on Earth to meet one :)

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Post by bdangubic »

bigbluedots wrote: post #370

It is nice to hear someone who is so influential just come out and say it. At my workplace, the expectation is that everyone will use AI in their daily software dev work. It's a difficult position for those of us who feel that using AI is immoral due to the large scale theft of the labor of many of our fellow developers, not to mention the many huge data centers being built and their need for electricity, pushing up…

do you apply same standards when you say buy a phone?! never gonna buy iphone cause we know how and by whom they are made? never going to use any social media apps cause … well you see where this is going? you seem to be randomly putting a foot down on “issue du jour”…
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