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Americans no longer see four-year college degrees as worth the cost

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Post by jacquesm »

Ray20 wrote: post #858
bildung wrote: post #455

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> Russia will conquer Ukraine, any other prediction at this point is absurd. Are you sure? They are advancing, sure, put look what they paid for to achieve this: 300k dead, 700k wounded, depletion of their souvereign wealth fund, 20%+ inflation, lower oil production and so on.

> They are advancing, sure, put look what they paid for to achieve this: 300k dead, 700k wounded, depletion of their souvereign wealth fund, 20%+ inflation, lower oil production and so on. Russia is a totalitarian dictatorship led by the communist Putin. As if communist dictators care. Look at North Korea, it's just the results of an unremarkable year.

Putin is a lot but he is not a communist.

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Post by mghackerlady »

chongli wrote: post #546
integralid wrote: post #286

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If someone doesn't know how to reverse words in a sentence they are absolutely not qualified to be a programmer. Yes they probably won't do this exact task often, but this is like a doctor that can't distinguish heart from the liver. It tells you something has gone horribly wrong.

What if the sentence is in Japanese (which doesn’t use spaces)?

Japanese can use spaces and does in some contexts

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Post by amrocha »

hollerith wrote: post #863
amrocha wrote: post #800

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If all US internet companies stopped existing tomorrow the world would be no worse off for it. The internet infrastructure is great. Networking hardware is great. Private internet companies built on top of it? Big whoop

The big whoop is the 100s of billions of dollars of revenue that flow to American internet companies from the rest of the world every quarter (and the high profit margins on that revenue—much higher than the margins of say Foxconn or DJI).

And that money would stay in their countries respective economies and everyone would be better off for it. Maybe someone would start a local alternative. It would be used productively instead of on ads that make everyone’s lives worse.

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Post by chrisweekly »

hitekker wrote: post #869
chrisweekly wrote: post #697

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+1 outstanding rebuttal w/ facts and data-backed insights, thank you for that

Hmmm, I don't see the outstanding part of the rebuttal. While it raises real evidence, it doesn't address the elephant of overeducation. The cited countries, for example, are faltering in myriad ways that their electorates have decidedly reacted against; enormous education sold to too many, falling far short of its promises. Like many of us here, I've been overeducated and I'm against overeducation. "Not letting your…

"The cited countries, for example, are faltering in myriad ways"

... as if higher education is somehow to blame, or conceivably capable of preventing countries from having any problems? Your comment provides not a shred of evidence that "overeducation" is even connected to said problems, let alone the "elephant". Respectfully, the burden's on you there.

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Post by ai_updates »

CMay wrote: post #713
kmeisthax wrote: post #651

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> We're forcing our allies to become more independent, because they got too soft and we need them hardened up. That only makes the US stronger, because strong allies are better for all of us. It makes us a better deterrent against war happening in the first place. Translation: we are getting rid of our allies. It does not make sense for a country to pay another country their "fair share" for military protection. That…

We're not getting rid of our allies, but it's long past time that they invested more in the common defense and it's important that they do, because it could be a valuable contribution to deterring war. Focus less on the soundbites. Yes there's messy dealmaking happening, but there's what's said and then there's what actually ends up happening. Solar and wind are only okay, but they aren't reliable and subsidizing the…

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Post by quasopp »

immibis wrote: post #845
lurk2 wrote: post #767

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> We expect universities to have a pro-truth, pro-reality, pro-knowledge bias, which are things the Republican party overtly rejects. The people you’re pretending to be harbingers of truth believe that men can get pregnant. > or they might cease being Republicans upon learning facts and logic. So why is the bias the strongest in the least rigorous fields (communications, anthropology, music) and weakest is the most r…

Well they can. Some transgender men can get pregnant AFAIK. This bias might be strongest in humanities because of self selection - conservatives think those are useless, but can see the utility in engineering - among other reasons.

Yes, but that is because they are in fact women. This is obvious, surely.

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Post by earlyreturns »

thinkingtoilet wrote: post #597
earlyreturns wrote: post #594

Why pay to get a degree in the US when you are competing for jobs not based on merit or qualifications? I can see why those in h1b’d industries like cs don’t see any point, and those are the industries where the most jobs and money have historically been. As goes the STEM labor market so goes the market for stuff like accounting, communications, sociology. A fair and secure labor market is a necessary condition for h…

I work for a small Us-based med-tech company that is growing. We are paring down our offshore devs and hiring only US based devs now. I can assure you that if you have a good school on your resume it puts you at the top of the list. All things being equal, if you went to University of Vermont (like I did) and and someone else when to Harvard, you better believe I'm interviewing the Harvard kid first. >Why pay to get…

Qualifications are easily and frequently faked and most people who write code for a living have seen competent people replaced by low cost semi-competents who excel at getting hired but little else. Interviews have gotten much more onerous, but the average level of skill has not increased.

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Post by hollerith »

amrocha wrote: post #873
hollerith wrote: post #863

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The big whoop is the 100s of billions of dollars of revenue that flow to American internet companies from the rest of the world every quarter (and the high profit margins on that revenue—much higher than the margins of say Foxconn or DJI).

And that money would stay in their countries respective economies and everyone would be better off for it. Maybe someone would start a local alternative. It would be used productively instead of on ads that make everyone’s lives worse.

My purpose was to cast doubt on Rayiner's assertion that "Since the 1980s, the U.S. economy has become highly financialized. It’s disputed how much American economic dominance is real versus on paper today."

I was not commenting on whether the world would be better off if the US were less economically dominant.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

sokoloff wrote: post #848
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #721

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I’ve never had an interview question that asked me to do something straightforward. If I did get a question like that, I would be immediately suspicious about what the catch was.

For campus, we ask very straightforward questions to try to weed out the very lowest of coding fluency at that early stage. (Basically to try to guard against late track changers who haven’t actually coded but know that the SWE market is better than whatever their original interest was.) If I ask that of a senior candidate, it’s because I got a whiff of “this candidate might not be able to code at all, and I’d like t…

I don’t know, I still think 22 year old me might still flub even a simple on the fly question (granting that I do my first internship with IBM writing lots of code when I was 20).

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Post by overfeed »

quasopp wrote: post #876
immibis wrote: post #845

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Well they can. Some transgender men can get pregnant AFAIK. This bias might be strongest in humanities because of self selection - conservatives think those are useless, but can see the utility in engineering - among other reasons.

Yes, but that is because they are in fact women. This is obvious, surely.

How very brave of you to create this new account just to post something "obvious". I'm guessing it's "obvious" because of cyclic definitions, and deliberate imperviousness to the idea that chromosonal sex, phenotypical sex and gender aren't strictly equivalent.
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