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Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by jbverschoor »

mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

>> Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same tasks ive been last couple of years

Quit the Dropbox app, it’s electron, and it’s brand spanking new

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by bapak »

nielsbot wrote: post #859
bapak wrote: post #846

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Check all the comparisons on their website. They're not comparing their products to the previous gen, they're comparing them to years-old system. They could sell you a downgrade and still stay 2x M1 Pro performance (it was 4x from last year) Apple is a marketing company made to sell stuff.

> Apple is a marketing company made to sell stuff. That's like... every company? Are you saying they don't have good tech?

Marketing companies don't sell their own stuff, they sell others' stuff.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by hn111 »

lelandfe wrote: post #138
mumber_typhoon wrote: post #44

The M5 MacBook Pro still gets the Broadcom WiFi chip but the M5 iPad Pros get the N1 and C1X (Sweet). All in all, apple is doing some incredible things with hardware. Software teams at apple really need to get their act together. The M1 itself is so powerful that nobody really needs to upgrade that for most things most people do on their computers. Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same task…

As a UI/UX nerd, it’s a coin flip on intentionality. I’ve been noticing so many rough edges to Apple’s software when it used to astound. iOS Settings search will flash “No Results” as you begin to type which is comically amateurish. The macOS menu bar control panels can’t be keyboard navigated... It’s just silly. I’ve been debating making a Tumblr-style blog, something like “dumbapple.com,” to catalogue all the dumb…

I’ve been having the same idea for a while. I think it would be a great way to let them prioritize the stability a bit more by publicly displaying how shamefully the UI behaves.

Interested in collaborating on this? Perhaps a simple open-source static blog built with Astro?

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by 05 »

trinix912 wrote: post #622
kobalsky wrote: post #269

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my tinfoil-hat theory is that on each OS iteration Apple adds a new feature that leverages the latest chips hardware acceleration features and for older chips they do software-only implementations. they ship-of-thesseus the crap out of their OS but replacing with parts that need these new hardware features that run slow on older chips due to software-only implementations. I got the first generation iPad Pro, which is…

Plus they don't let you downgrade to previous iOS versions on iPhones and iPads (unless you've been smart to save SHSH blobs and all that) so the only option to revert to a smooth version now is to download a sketchy jailbreak.

> A12 devices and newer

> You cannot restore to any iOS versions other than signed ones. All SHSH blobs are currently useless.

So, anything newer than iPhone X can’t be downgraded

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by friendzis »

runjake wrote: post #529
kokada wrote: post #137

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> Tahoe however makes my M1 Air feel sluggish doing the exact same tasks ive been last couple of years. I have a work provided M2 Pro with 32GB of RAM. After the Tahoe upgrade it feels like one of the sluggish PCs at the house. It is the only one that I can see the mouse teleporting sometimes when I move it fast. This is after disabling transparency in Accessibility settings mind you, it was even worse before.

It's probably due to the Electron bug[1]. A lot of common apps haven't patched up yet. I also have an M2 Pro with 32GB of memory. When I A/B test with Electron apps running vs without, the lag disappears when all the unpatched Electron apps are closed out. 1. https://avarayr.github.io/shamelectron/ Here's a script I got from somewhere that shows unpatched Electron apps on your system: Edit: HN nerfed the script. Foun…

> It's probably due to the Electron bug[1]. > When I A/B test with Electron apps running vs without, the lag disappears when all the unpatched Electron apps are closed out.

Look, if userspace apps can break system functionality, to the level that simple mouse cursor is not responsive, it suggests that there is something fundamental broken in the OS.

Yes, everyone should blame and shame Electron, but here the bug is firmly in the OS.

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Post by gloosx »

robenkleene wrote: post #771
gloosx wrote: post #565

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From my vast experience with MacOS, Apple is notoriously bad at the most basic software, like notes or calculator

What's a better rich-text notes app than Apple Notes? (E.g., excluding the plain-text options like Obsidian, which are really a different beast.)

I don't know. I used apple notes for quite a while, several years. And I got increasingly frustrated by it's countless bugs and inconsistent or weird behaviours, especially with check lists which I use a lot. I even have a folder with tens of screencasts capturing these bugs which I want to compile and publish in a blog post one day. I ended up with my own web-based solution on top of Lexical, which I wrapped in a Tauri app, which I very much enjoy using. I don't need it to sync to other devices so all notes and images rest in a filesystem.

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Post by littlecranky67 »

kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #844
littlecranky67 wrote: post #672

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> A lot of Apple hardware is impressive on paper, but I will never buy a Mac that can't run Linux. They run Linux actually very well, have you ever tried Parallels or VMware Fusion? Especially Parallels ships with good softwaer drivers for 2d/3d/video acceleration, suspend, and integration into the host OS. If that is not your thing, the new native container solution in Tahoe can run container from dockerhub and co.…

From what I checked, disabling SIP/AMFI/whatever it is now means I can't run iOS applications on macOS. The fact that there are restrictions on what I can run when doing that makes macOS more restrictive. Also, what if I want to run eBPF on my laptop on bare metal, to escape the hypercall overhead from VMs or whatever? Ultimately, a VM is not the same as a native experience. I might want to take advantage of accelera…

That point is often brought up, but it kind of invalid. Because you can't run iOS on your Linux or Windows installation, too. So saying because of that usecase you are switching the OS, is kind of a spite reaction, not based on reason.

As in: "I can't run iOS on my macOS installation, so I am going to use a different OS where I can't run iOS either".

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by croemer »

bombcar wrote: post #585
gigatexal wrote: post #569

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Amazing. My M3Max is going to look like a paper-weight very soon. And that's fine by me. When I get an M6 or M7Max to replace it it'll be amazing.

I’m trying to find any reason I can that my M1 Max needs replacement; it’s hard. How do you justify it?

Personal workloads that benefit from upgrade: Running a Python script that's CPU limited, aligning genomes in parallel on all cores. It's common that I need to wait 2min for those tasks to complete. Shaving off 30s for faster iteration loop. is meaningful.

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by neobrain »

pbasista wrote: post #694
jay_kyburz wrote: post #643

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Serious questions. How is Asahi these days? Is it ready as a daily driver? Is it getting support from Apple or are they hostile to it? Are there missing features? And can I run KDE on it?

> How is Asahi these days? Much less active than it used to be when it was run by Hector Martin. The core development is a lot slower. Although the graphics stack, for instance, has reached a very mature state recently. > Is it ready as a daily driver? It depends. Only M1 and M2 devices are reasonably well-supported. There is no support for power-efficient sleep, Display Port, Thunderbolt, video decoding or encoding,…

Good and fair comment. Just adding some nuance:

> There is no support for power-efficient sleep

"power-efficient sleep" refers to discharging 1-2% battery over night rather than 10-20%. I.e. there's room for improvement, but the device can still be used without worrying much about battery life regardless (especially given how far a full charge gets you even without sleep).

> Display Port, Thunderbolt

Big item indeed, but it's actively worked on and getting there (as you mentioned).

> video decoding or encoding

Hurts battery performance, but otherwise I never noticed any other effect. YMMV for 4K content.

> touch ID

Annoying indeed, and no one has worked on this AFAIK.

> The speakers overheat and turn off momentarily when playing loud for a longer period of time. The audio stack in general had to be built from ground up and it seems to me like there are bits and pieces still missing or configured sub-optimally.

Sad to hear since I thought the audio heat model was robust enough to handle all supported devices. On my M1 Air I've never seen anything like this, but perhaps devices with more powerful speakers are more prone to it?

Re: Apple M5 chip

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Post by croemer »

smolder wrote: post #831

Let's not pretend these are machines for hardcore computing jobs which belong on servers in terms of work/cost. Apples laptops are still amazing because we can do crazy amounts of work quickly without running out of battery. The edit, recompile, test loop is fast for programmers equipped with these expensive machines. And you can carry them everywhere without much risk of failure.

If you work on scripts that run in a minute or two, it's not worth the hassle of running it on servers. Yet it's long enough that saving 50% is meaningful. I happen to often work on such tasks so I really notice improvements in single and multicore performance.
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